thecivilengineer
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NOPE, Completely different organizations.
Green Line LRT | ?m | ?s | Calgary Transit
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CalgaryTiger
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I just don't know if there's room there... At least east of 4th Street SE you have room on either side of the tracks for it. Saying that I don't know what the province versus Remington own.
darwink
Senior Member
If someone is willing to pay, and no assurance of the document being more legible, here is the easement and right of way plan filled by the province for the block in October of last year I believe to carve out a bit of the now consolidated Lot for the 6th St SE underpass (there are a lot of concurrent filings, I think to figure out closing 5th St SE for the arena project):
Lot 42 was previously not consolidated. Whether I last looked at this 5 years ago or 10 years ago though, I can't recall. At the time, you could clearly see the lots the province had bought previously, how they fanned out towards 4th St SE in a manner akin to platforms and tracks leading to them.
This document shows the owner as Remington as of March 2021. The law suit could have ended with ownership changing but interests still existing.
lemongrab
Active Member
I'm curious what the design would even look like. For the foreseeable future it seems trains would only be running to the north, so on the northern most track when entering downtown...wouldn't the station make sense between the tracks and 9th Ave? Otherwise it needs to cross all 4 tracks, meaning they have to be empty?
How big does it even need to be? Does it need more than one platform for the next...50 years?
How big does it even need to be? Does it need more than one platform for the next...50 years?
darwink
Senior Member
A part of the ongoing airport access study is about planning for something akin to a basket weave in Inglewood, which is where lowest minimum cost for airport access only (likely one track) would potentially lock in constrained capacity which would squeeze any other future service.
Ramsayite
Active Member
Trying to understand how a basket-weave for rail in Inglewood would even work.
This is what the project area for the Airport Rail Connector study looks like.
Will be interesting to see what it comes up with.
One way or the other, gonna be some big viaducts and elevated sections.
This is what the project area for the Airport Rail Connector study looks like.
Will be interesting to see what it comes up with.
One way or the other, gonna be some big viaducts and elevated sections.
lemongrab
Active Member
Meaning it switches across the 4-5 tracks in that span and no other trains can really be using that space at that time? Or grade separation?
I see the single track constraint across the Bow (and then Fox Hollow to Beddington where it wouldn't be very difficult to twin), and then from 14th Street west (plenty of spots to at least add sidings). Negotiating the north constraint seems fairly simple, but doesn't a station to south of the tracks make things way more complicated? Constraining it to the point where a 'grand central station' is completely unnecessary?
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Calgcouver
Active Member
Just connect the blue line to the airport via 60 St > Airport Trail > Barlow Trail. It doesn't have to be this hard.
CalgaryTiger
Senior Member
You can just imagine the area north of the track and south of 9th ave being a parking lot/lobby. South of the tracks is where you would transfer from the green line (kept it on topic), transfer between other trains etc. I cannot make sense of those images so maybe they indicate otherwise.
darwink
Senior Member
Unfortunately that isn't the greatest idea for transit north of Airport Trail, or at the airport as drumroll, the NE line is frequency constrained due to the Red Line interline downtown.
darwink
Senior Member
Yes. Likely a new bridge over the Bow as well, perhaps with provisions for future expansion. The Inglewood curve ROW is wide enough for 4 tracks.
In Inglewood itself, I expect an elevated Greenline with two tracks and an elevated passenger flyover with 2 tracks. Between Inglewood and just west of the Elbow River, the track ends up on the south side of the CPR ROW.
Now, would it maybe be better capital cost wise to build a station on the north side of the tracks instead? Yes, if you were only ever going to service north-bound. But freight trains are heavy (building elevated freight would be more expensive and require a forever operating subsidy), and to keep CPR as a willing partner, while providing the frequency wanted for the airport, plus HSR, plus potential regional rail north, south and east—you can see why this quickly became a tough nut to crack.
outoftheice
Active Member
Interesting read and relevant to the Green Line discussions we have been having on here.
InfrastructureEnthusiast
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Interesting read and relevant to the Green Line discussions we have been having on here.
Great reading, really puts a spotlight on the bureaucratic bloat that is burdening all of society, not just green line.
Certainly doesn't seem there's a simple way to simplify things though..
CalgaryTiger
Senior Member
This is arguing for in-housing, which as someone who just went from being an out-sourced employee to an in-housed employee I can tell you should be more of the norm. Some things can still be out-sourced (a role that can be added quickly on a per project basis) but what should not be under estimated is the value of in-house expertise.Interesting read and relevant to the Green Line discussions we have been having on here.
The provincial government doesn't want to lean more into actually taking over the green line and transit development but it is the most efficient thing to do. It is clear that there are decades of rail infrastructure development required, the most efficient way to build that infrastructure is not to endlessly repeat consultations (and whatever else) about the next steps. Upload the responsibility to yourself, take some accountability and reap the rewards. That's cutting red tape. It is clear who is responsible for what in this country, the different levels of government need to actually hold the line on who does what.
Edit: Meanwhile... The fed's rail crown corporation for the corridor in Ontario and Quebec might actually have some work to do in November.
Toronto to Montreal in 3 hours? Canada might be finally ready to build a high speed rail line — but how fast it will be remains an open question
In the coming weeks, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s cabinet is expected to choose which of three groups of private companies will get to help design and build a new passenger
www.thestar.com
"According to the government source, the proposals from the private groups are in the “final stages” of assessment by the public service, and cabinet could decide by November which one is going to take part in the project."
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darwink
Senior Member
According to a friend, packages were in in late July. They may have included incremental options for straightening corridors, identifying which should be concurrent with rebuild, and which can be done later without service being hurt during the upgrade.