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Go Elevated or try for Underground?

  • Work with the province and go with the Elevated option

    Votes: 10 76.9%
  • Try another approach and go for Underground option

    Votes: 2 15.4%
  • Cancel it altogether

    Votes: 1 7.7%

  • Total voters
    13
Is it confirmed that the 4th Street is at-grade between the Remington Land and the CPKC Tracks?
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I guess we don't know if 4th is at 11th or here.

Green Line website says this
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Old underground was actually between 5th and 6th.
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Honestly at this point this is the best we could have hoped for. Now everyone can fight about how to get through downtown while construction proceeds on the 'easy' stretch. But I am sure the risk cost will increase greatly.
But the thing is that there wont be tunnel no more. so i hope they go elevated and not at grade.
 
can someone confirm if the line gonna run to shepherd and not millican? which was earlier got shortened from eau claire to millican. I think its win win, as the line will go to all the way SE from arena. While construction will continue they can figure out the north alignment too with potential of airport line!
 
can someone confirm if the line gonna run to shepherd and not millican? which was earlier got shortened from eau claire to millican. I think its win win, as the line will go to all the way SE from arena. While construction will continue they can figure out the north alignment too with potential of airport line!
one thing i am worry is the EAU CLAIR area, what they gonna do for that area. such a nice location , if we just left those empty condo and market there for 5-10 years?
 
I actually like the decision they made on building the "easy" portion of the Green Line.

After the province announced revoking the funding and some analysis it looks like if we need to build a tunnel through Core, then maybe investing in busier Red Line makes more sense rather than doing it for Green Line.
Building the "easy" part will allow to bring people to/from Downtown (minus the last mile within the downtown which can be temporarily compensated with a BRT/Shuttle service and open it up for further extension into SE where the need for good transit is especially big due to many factors

In terms of the future of the Green Line in downtown core I see several options:
- do not bring it to downtown at all and just do a beltline in Beltline. As our downtown is much bigger west to east rather than north to south it will allow it to catch a lot of transit users in a walking distance from stations
- utilize the CPR right of way (already grade separated + also goes east to west to catch most of transit users + future integration with commuters trains and Airport-to-Banff link
- use 3rd St NE to go through downtown, cross the river and use the bluff along Memorial drive to climb to Centre street (pros: connection with a red/blue lines and can be extended north, much easier to cross the river and no impact to Price Island park. cons: much less catchment area in downtown and an almost brand new Platform Calgary parkade may need to come down)

Not really a big fan of going above grade in downtown unless it is a short stretch to go above the 7th ave
 
And the Province gets to ride in as the white knight, saving the Green Line.....although they cancelled their funding with zero thought to ongoing contracts/works or future impacts their 'review' would result in.
They should get zero praise for this continuing.
Good work on the city side for pressuring the Prov to see what a cluster they had created and getting them to the table to continue this section.

Just shambolic that any of this needed to happen. The city and Prov could have completed all this behind closed doors without the circus of the last month and made the same damned announcement.
Just another example of the Prov making decisions depending on what side of the bed they woke up on and then seeing the trouble it's going to cause, immediately flip flopping ...just an utter travesty.

If I'm a contractor on the 4th to Sheppard section, money up front please..in full.
That's the part I don't get - why did the Province commit to the July revised scope of Downtown to Millican?

If they weren't happy about it to the point of pulling funding, they should have been working behind closed doors at that point so the actual announcement was a revised scope being "4th to Shepard and we will revisit downtown through a rescoping exercise led by the Province".

Why was any of this drama public and all the contractual damage and risk increased? All this could have just been sorted in July without any of us knowing.
 
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I suspect the BS isn’t finished yet. I got this flyer in the mail that is clearly political advertising with no disclosure of who is funding it. Jim Gray again? Another group of ‘concerned citizens’ fighting the Greenline (along with attacking every non conservative councillor). I submitted a complaint to Elections Alberta.

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That's the part I don't get - why did the Province commit to the on the July revised scope of Downtown to Millican?

If they weren't happy about it to the point of pulling funding, they should have been working behind closed doors at that point so the actual announcement was a revised scope being "4th to Shepard and we will revisit downtown through a rescoping exercise led by the Province".

Why was any of this drama public and all the contractual damage and risk increased? All this could have just been sorted in July without any of us knowing.
That would require competent ministers that know how to negotiate in private and recognize how detrimental increased risk would bring to a project. Unfortunately, it's clear we don't have that on this file.
 
can someone confirm if the line gonna run to shepherd and not millican? which was earlier got shortened from eau claire to millican. I think its win win, as the line will go to all the way SE from arena. While construction will continue they can figure out the north alignment too with potential of airport line!
If I've learned one thing from this saga, it's how we (royal we) come to accept unpopular compromises as acceptable outcomes fairly quickly. Running at grade on Centre St is one example, Shephard being regarded as good penetration to the SE is another (its still ~6km shy of the first good 360 degree catchment area). It is what it is, now but it wasn't an unreasonable complaint to call the original 16th-Shephard a train from nowhere to nowhere (nowhere to somewhere to nowhere perhaps is more fair)

one thing i am worry is the EAU CLAIR area, what they gonna do for that area. such a nice location , if we just left those empty condo and market there for 5-10 years?
I'd argue that over-valuing/emphasizing redevelopment of EC was probably a major contributor to the tunnel vision here. I'll never understand how knocking those condos down didn't give anyone more pause in the midst of a housing crisis. Sure, it's only 36 units, but it's contrary to the whole city-building notion of the green line. It would be one thing if this alignment was the overwhelmingly best option over all others, but this has clearly proven out to be false.
 
How has the tunnel alignment being the best option proven to be false? I'm honestly curious here. For a project that is meant to keep the city moving for 50-100 years, how has it been shown to be the worst option?
This keeps getting thrown around but I've not seen any actual evidence showing it to be case.
Does it cost an arm and a leg, yeah it damn well does to do something right the first and only time and to not spend the next 40 years (more like 90 before it even gets a shovel in the ground red line tunnel) wishing it was done right from the get go.

The costs are offset by the long term viability of the line and usefulness of it as the city continues to grow towards 2 million.
A stub to 4th or a transfer station at city hall is a worse option by a country mile.

And a 36 unit condo, yeah it's a shame but why should it give pause? If the lines built , the housing potential along the route are enormous, especially the NC corridor.
And if this is a huge concern, the Prov could of stepped in at any point and went...excuse us but.....
They didn't, so they obviously saw the benefit of the route.
 

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