Scotia Place | 36.85m | 11s | CSEC | HOK

[Mathias1]

I'm curious what happens when our arena is finished. Will we take concerts away from Edmonton? Will tours just add Calgary on top of their tours? Or do we both get more tours because they CAN do both?

With equally capable arenas, you'd assume Calgary would be a little more desirable destination (bigger population, generally wealthier demographic, more easily accessible via road/air) but I'm curious if that will be the case or does Edmonton have something else (besides the smell of sewage) that gives it an edge.

I understand that having the two venues in relative proximity will increase the draw of talent for both cities. They won't end up competing in general. Currently talent will often not come up to Edmonton as it it too far of a distance to go for only one show. But now there are two venues to hit up here. So it will be good for both.

This is what one of the operators said in one of the ground breaking interviews from what I recall.

 

[ScottThom24]

Managed to snap a couple photos yesterday on a walk. Hole is looking pretty deep... Largest excavation in Calgary's history.

 

[MichaelS]

Is it bigger than The Bow's? Maybe in area, but in terms of total volume (given that one went 7ish storeys deep)?

 

[Mountain Man]

The Bow would definitely be deeper, but this has a larger surface area, probably by 2x.

 

[CalgaryTiger]

In CMLC's '25-'29 Strategic Plan there's a mention of this in a couple spots. Looks like they are going to be doing more work on Stampede Trail this year. I thought they might wait for next year or even '27 before the arena opens.

For hotels... if CSEC gets on it they can build theirs before CMLC builds any one of the three of their hotels. Isn't there also the Truman project with a hotel coming across Macleod at Stampede Station?

 

[Mountain Man]

So this might actually happen after like 15 years of talking about it?!

 

[CalgaryTiger]

So this might actually happen after like 15 years of talking about it?!

What the hotels or Stampede Trail? I wouldn't count on it. CMLC has been saying for awhile that there's interest in a hotel. Until I see an approved Building Permit I won't believe it. For Stampede Trail, you likely want a hotel in that NE corner to compliment whatever else you do on Stampede Trail, so I think that is the first domino.

 

[doughflow]

So this might actually happen after like 15 years of talking about it?!

Um I think it is happening

 

[Tothewest]

Reading all of that, my best guesses....

- CMLC builds one hotel only, they simply have 3 sites to pick from.
- CSEC also builds one, I don't see the need or demand for any more than that, especially if Truman is building as well
- No chance Stampede Trail construction finishes this year....I could see some utility work, so technically it would begin, but unlikely they do anything until Scotia road/sidewalk/plaza work can begin mid/late 2026 once exterior is LARGELY complete and things move indoors for the final 8 months.

 

[Mountain Man]

What the hotels or Stampede Trail? I wouldn't count on it. CMLC has been saying for awhile that there's interest in a hotel. Until I see an approved Building Permit I won't believe it. For Stampede Trail, you likely want a hotel in that NE corner to compliment whatever else you do on Stampede Trail, so I think that is the first domino.

Stampede trail. I fully expect at least 1 hotel to go in there, would be surprised if we didn't get one with BMO being complete.

 

[CalgaryTiger]

Stampede trail. I fully expect at least 1 hotel to go in there, would be surprised if we didn't get one with BMO being complete.

I guess it is nice to have some new streetscaping but the promise of Stampede Trail I worry will be a let down. It will be hard in the one block between BMO and the hotel site to do anything exciting. Scotia Place does have some decent things on its side of the street but I struggle to envision Stampede Trail as a landmark of any kind. They have three out of the four corners of Stampede Trail and 14th Ave to do something, give me 1 Street SW at 13 Ave and I'll be fine. I actually do hope to be surprised this is the Culture and Entertainment District after all but I don't expect to be.

 

[CalgaryTiger]

I went back and looked at one of Ryan Pike's pictures, I have been thinking about this for bit but the shoring being above the current 5A Street level tells me that maybe they are going to raise the level of the surrounding roads at least a little bit. As has been discussed it wasn't very flat through here so that does make sense.

 

[Mountain Man]

If something good goes on the Orchard site, then it's possible, the other spots are quite small but could house some restaurants or bars.

Is the shoring above the street level, or is it just hoarding for the site?

 

[darwink]

For flood proofing alone, they would be required to. Here is the area on June 22, 2013

 

[CalgaryTiger]

Is the shoring above the street level, or is it just hoarding for the site?

I see the shoring a little less than halfway up the hoarding. I think the top of the shoring could still below where the road height ends up.

For flood proofing alone, they would be required to.

However, I am wondering how high they can go...

I think you've got some play with the adjacent lots that will be sticking around.