DougB
Senior Member
Still think the arena deal has negligible impact to the prospects of Smith or Notley. Gondek is the big loser
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MichaelS
Senior Member
Will people remember/care when the next civic election happens in 2 years?
DougB
Senior Member
Depends. Two years into the project should expose cost over-runs and tax increases
Poppa777
New Member
But isn't Smiths portion going towards the city? Not directly to the new arena. I keep hearing people say she's founding the arena which is simply not true.
jamendis
New Member
Ok but the previous design actually looked like a printer though!! So bad
Roaring Flames
Senior Member
If the provincial money disappears its likely going to fall on the city to cover the infrastructure, transportation, and land costs that were part of the provincial contribution in the deal.
EtoV
Active Member
It's going to the infrastructure required to support the arena, so...creative accounting so she can make the claim it's simply for infrastructure and not actually funding the arena.
thommyjo
Senior Member
As an Edmontonian, we’re pissed haha. 0 money for our city, which is straddled with a lot more social problems thanks to jails, underfunded shelters, and a provincial government that actively fights our city council in public. But time to buy votes in Calgary? Here’s hundreds of millions. Fiscal conservative means nothing. Bunch of clowns running this province. Edmonton has 60k less people, yet gets so much less support from the province for infrastructure.
Hope you guys get a new arena. But the province paying for it is unfair for the whole province.
Hope you guys get a new arena. But the province paying for it is unfair for the whole province.
Poppa777
New Member
Yes but wasn't that money slated to go towards the city anyways. I'd say that that's smart politics.
Poppa777
New Member
And if you say it's buying votes, show me a politician who doesn't try and buy your votes. They all do it. Wether it's right or wrong both sides are guilty of it. It all depends on what the goods are to sway the votes.
DougB
Senior Member
That isn't clear. I don't think the underpass 2as funded and the LRT station was underscoped
Sounds like the money from the province is more for infrastructure for the re-development of the surrounding area, but I get what you're saying, it's still indirectly involved in the arena itself. If the race wasn't so close in Calgary I doubt Smith would be bothering with this.
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darwink
Senior Member
We don’t claim a new skyscraper downtown should pay for an incremental LRT expansion for it, so do we count the need for a vastly different greenline station as an arena cost or as a greenline cost.
MichaelS
Senior Member
How much of the $300 million the Province is providing goes towards the Greenline station in the area? And, is it brand new money, or is it a portion of the already $1.5 billion commited by the Province for the Greenline?
Unknown User
New Member
I agree with most of what you are saying but outside of jails those issues aren't exclusive to Edmonton.
Also if you believe the UCP math on this(I don't), the new $330M commitment is to make up for a shortfall that existed in Edmonton's favor in the previous budget. I think that's a red herring though, the government "should be" responsible for funding infrastructure (and other responsibilities) based on merit and value. I think it's unrealistic to believe this kind of funding can ever be exactly equal between Edmonton and Calgary. What both cities should want is fair value. This may be good value but the way it's been thrown together so quickly and the way it's been rolled out point definitively to vote buying in my opinion which is the real issue,