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[InfrastructureEnthusiast]

Well I think one piece is that we just had utility companies spend about 2 full years moving utilities from 11 ave to 12 ave for the previous green line alignment. Lol.

That's definitely annoying if GL ends up going elevated on 10th, but not necessary a total loss.
If 11av is util free now, that row could still be used for a future line.

I've been pondering ways that a LRT upgraded purple line could be extended down through beltline and on to MRU.

I'll post a pic if I get a chance to diagram it out later.

 

[InfrastructureEnthusiast]

Well at this point we certain to accept a number of compromises. I'd be interested in a CBA between ideally placed deep stations and these alternative scenarios - ie. how much track length does the reallocated CAPEX buy? How much frequency does reallocated OPEX buy (say the delta between maintaining a deep tunnel+station and a shallow one)?

Hate to change the subject, I know you really like the idea of these tunnels and underground stations, but seems to me you've unintentionally scored another point for the elevated ROW.

Very few people work in basements downtown, but an elevated station that links right into the +15 system is going to save a few minutes of commute time for many people vs. an underground one.

If there was an elevated station on 2st between 7&8av, there's potential to link in 6 blocks directly to the station via +15, while having near direct access to blue and future red lines for transfers.

It might not be the grand central station with HSR and YYC/Banff rail, but it would effectively be the hub for the LRT network.

 

[kempes_78]

That's definitely annoying if GL ends up going elevated on 10th, but not necessary a total loss.
If 11av is util free now, that row could still be used for a future line.

I've been pondering ways that a LRT upgraded purple line could be extended down through beltline and on to MRU.

I'll post a pic if I get a chance to diagram it out later.

I am not aware of a purple line but there is a plan for 7th Ave to be extended to the east and follow 17 Ave SE.
This line will also be extended west and be routed south after Sunalta to Braeside in the SW.

 

[ahuch]

Hate to change the subject, I know you really like the idea of these tunnels and underground stations, but seems to me you've unintentionally scored another point for the elevated ROW.

Very few people work in basements downtown, but an elevated station that links right into the +15 system is going to save a few minutes of commute time for many people vs. an underground one.

If there was an elevated station on 2st between 7&8av, there's potential to link in 6 blocks directly to the station via +15, while having near direct access to blue and future red lines for transfers.

It might not be the grand central station with HSR and YYC/Banff rail, but it would effectively be the hub for the LRT network.

Honestly, if an elevated station was integrated well it would feel far more like a lot of great transit cities subways as they're (mostly) built for humans with retail, shopping, food, etc. I think it'd be hard to integrate well though.

 

[kempes_78]

Hate to change the subject, I know you really like the idea of these tunnels and underground stations, but seems to me you've unintentionally scored another point for the elevated ROW.

Very few people work in basements downtown, but an elevated station that links right into the +15 system is going to save a few minutes of commute time for many people vs. an underground one.

If there was an elevated station on 2st between 7&8av, there's potential to link in 6 blocks directly to the station via +15, while having near direct access to blue and future red lines for transfers.

It might not be the grand central station with HSR and YYC/Banff rail, but it would effectively be the hub for the LRT network.

That is unlikely to happen as the design will adversely impact cost e.g. a) will it be centralised T piers supporting the bridge with expanded lenths to support the separate platforms?; b) it cannot be a centralised platform - how are the buildings accessed as a +15? c) how many +15 access points per platform at each building - ingress/ egress restrictions, emergency access, crowd safety, if the +15 shuts at 9 p.m. does that section of the line shut down?

 

[kempes_78]

Honestly, if an elevated station was integrated well it would feel far more like a lot of great transit cities subways as they're (mostly) built for humans with retail, shopping, food, etc. I think it'd be hard to integrate well though.

You should look at Taipei and Seoul rail networks which run underground. These are linked by underground pedestrian walkways where there a vendors of all types.

 

[Gazyyc]

The Purple Line is the Max route, running down 17th ave SE. Your unaware of it but aware of plans to ultimately upgrade to LRT at some far future date?
Where is 7th Ave being extended east? You run into a major residential area fairly quick and then Fort Calgary. Are these plans published somewhere? Same with Sunalata to Braeside...sounds suspicisouly like the Yellow Line. Can you link these plans?

 

[kempes_78]

The Purple Line is the Max route, running down 17th ave SE. Your unaware of it but aware of plans to ultimately upgrade to LRT at some far future date?
Where is 7th Ave being extended east? You run into a major residential area fairly quick and then Fort Calgary. Are these plans published somewhere? Same with Sunalata to Braeside...sounds suspicisouly like the Yellow Line. Can you link these plans?

You are correct: re-checked my information, purple runs west and yellows from Sunalta to Braeside.
7th Ave. is beiing extended east directly from 7th Ave: the presumption is a tunnel, a pragmatic solution.
There are plans out there for the Calgary LRT.

 

[Ramsayite]

You are correct: re-checked my information, purple runs west and yellows from Sunalta to Braeside.
7th Ave. is beiing extended east directly from 7th Ave: the presumption is a tunnel, a pragmatic solution.
There are plans out there for the Calgary LRT.

Purple line was designed for low floor, can't extend 7th ave rail to join it without significantly compromising streetscape. The plan was a spur off of the green line at the Ramsay flyover using low-floor trains.

 

[Gazyyc]

You are correct: re-checked my information, purple runs west and yellows from Sunalta to Braeside.
7th Ave. is beiing extended east directly from 7th Ave: the presumption is a tunnel, a pragmatic solution.
There are plans out there for the Calgary LRT.

Can I ask again, where are you getting this information/checking against?
I've looked and can't see any plans (Route Ahead or anything else on the City's site) that reference what your stating are 'plans out there'.

Ramsayite has already posted what is being proposed for a Purple line tie in to Dt (which you thanked but haven't replied to) and I'm trying to think what a spur off from Sunalta would look like?

I'm especially curious about getting from the North side of Glenmore to the South.
If you could provide links, I'd really like to look at them.

 

[kempes_78]

Can I ask again, where are you getting this information/checking against?
I've looked and can't see any plans (Route Ahead or anything else on the City's site) that reference what your stating are 'plans out there'.

Ramsayite has already posted what is being proposed for a Purple line tie in to Dt (which you thanked but haven't replied to) and I'm trying to think what a spur off from Sunalta would look like?

I'm especially curious about getting from the North side of Glenmore to the South.
If you could provide links, I'd really like to look at them.

The information can be found using this link, 'calgary lrt, future city routes'.
This plan has been available for quite some time: I found it in 2022.
The plan clearly demonstrates the suggested routes for
a. purple line;
b. Sunalta spur - self explanatory;
c. north side of Glenmore to the south - red, blue and green.
The plan suggests circular routes linking the 4 quadrants with inferred additional circular routes for airport access (Grey) and TCH 1 (Gold).
If the Green Line is proving problematic then further headaches lie ahead!

 

[Gazyyc]

The information can be found using this link, 'calgary lrt, future city routes'.
This plan has been available for quite some time: I found it in 2022.
The plan clearly demonstrates the suggested routes for
a. purple line;
b. Sunalta spur - self explanatory;
c. north side of Glenmore to the south - red, blue and green.
The plan suggests circular routes linking the 4 quadrants with inferred additional circular routes for airport access (Grey) and TCH 1 (Gold).
If the Green Line is proving problematic then further headaches lie ahead!

Ok, I'll ask again, can you provide the actual link to any City documentation on what you are suggesting above.
What you have provided is not a link and even throwing that in a search pulls up nothing that your suggesting.
The closet thing it suggests is the City's future Rapid Transit Network map.
There's no purple LRT, or Yellow LRT, only the current MAX routes. I'm not sure what the circular routes are your referencing or this Gold Line along what I'm assuming is the Trans Canada.

For Glenmore, the question was specific to how a yellow spur to Braeside would cross the Reservoir/Elbow. The Red,Blue,Green lines couldn't be farther from it. I'm honestly lost as to what exactly your saying here and why your bringing them up.

Can you provide the direct link to what your referencing please.

 

[kempes_78]

Ok, I'll ask again, can you provide the actual link to any City documentation on what you are suggesting above.
What you have provided is not a link and even throwing that in a search pulls up nothing that your suggesting.
The closet thing it suggests is the City's future Rapid Transit Network map.
There's no purple LRT, or Yellow LRT, only the current MAX routes. I'm not sure what the circular routes are your referencing or this Gold Line along what I'm assuming is the Trans Canada.

For Glenmore, the question was specific to how a yellow spur to Braeside would cross the Reservoir/Elbow. The Red,Blue,Green lines couldn't be farther from it. I'm honestly lost as to what exactly your saying here and why your bringing them up.

Can you provide the direct link to what your referencing please.

Sorry, that link search text does work. Just type it in and hey presto: you will see that it is all City of Calgary documents.
The rest of your questions will be answered once you successfully encode the search link text.

 

[CalgaryTiger]

Sorry, that link search text does work. Just type it in and hey presto: you will see that it is all City of Calgary documents.
The rest of your questions will be answered once you successfully encode the search link text.

No offense, I wouldn't pay much attention to this user. They have only ever posted in this thread and only started posting on July 30. Something is off with them, and typically when something is off there's a reason for that.

 

[Ramsayite]

I think they are referring to this map and they are misconstruing BRT for LRT and assuming a granularity of R.O.W choice that is not present.