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Go Elevated or try for Underground?

  • Work with the province and go with the Elevated option

    Votes: 40 78.4%

  • Try another approach and go for Underground option

    Votes: 7 13.7%

  • Cancel it altogether

    Votes: 1 2.0%

  • Go with a BRT solution

    Votes: 3 5.9%
  • Total voters
    51
Tarsus said:
I like it when somebody writes a rebuttal in response to one of Richard White's articles. Almost always it's somebody coming at it with more knowledge.
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Richard White published the opinion, but it was written by Neil McKendrick who worked at Calgary Transit for many years in a number of key roles. McKendrick critiques the current Green Line on quantitative measures that have become worse and worse as the Green Line continues to go over-budget. You just have to look at numerous unsuccessful American rail projects to see what happens when you ignore ridership and costs.
 
Looks like the UCP has given the green light with construction projected to start in the fall according to the PM
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Alberta approves Calgary's Green Line business case, feds confirm funding - LiveWire Calgary

Alberta has given the green light to the Green Line, approving the business case submitted to the province May 28, and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said construction will begin this fall. The province made their announcement Wednesday afternoon, just prior to a scheduled Green Line announcement...
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I thought that we missed this year’s construction season due to the delay imposed by the Province? Will it really start construction this fall?
 
So the City is building a line that doesn't service much in the way of where people live, willfully creating a white elephant. Sigh. Calgary used to be a well run city.
 
gsunnyg said:
So does this mean we need to secure new funding for phase 2, which was technically supposed to be part of phase 1?
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There's a bit of a cryptic statement regarding that:

According to the city, they will advance the phase 2 plan from Eau Claire to 16 Avenue N if cost escalations don’t materialize in phase 1. The city said that for each 0.5 per cent in escalation, it costs $100 million.

This plan does put the north phase in flux, awaiting potential cost escalations. LiveWire Calgary was first to report that revisions to the city’s Green Line plan could push off the north leg well into the future.

“We have a level of confidence that we can deliver this program and available funding. we will know with greater certainty as we proceed through the… process,” Fairbairn said.
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Calgary's Green Line to go ahead with a two-phased construction process - LiveWire Calgary

Calgary’s Green Line project will inch ahead in a two-phased strategy, following the conclusion of a provincial review, the city has said. According to the city, the $5.5 billion project will now be done through a revised procurement process. The first phase will be built from Shepard to Eau...
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DougB said:
So the City is building a line that doesn't service much in the way of where people live, willfully creating a white elephant. Sigh. Calgary used to be a well run city.
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The people involved have probably become too committed to it. I'd expect if Green Line was estimated correctly at $8.5B+ for 40 km in 2015, they would have killed it then but after spending so much time and political capital on it, they just can't back away unless there's one last massive budget overrun that makes it impossible to even complete Stage 1.
 
gsunnyg said:
So does this mean we need to secure new funding for phase 2, which was technically supposed to be part of phase 1?
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It all depends on what the contracts come in at for phase 1. Too high, find more money. Low enough, go to 16th Ave. Even lower, go to McKenzie Towne as well. Then the next $750m-$1 billion goes to 64th Ave North, far enough to truncate the BRT. Hopefully with a 16 Ave N grade separation.
 
I'm in the camp of I don't mind if they only build Ear Claire to Shepard first. Make the next phase the section all the way down to Seton. The ROW is already there and ready to go, will be way cheaper than the NC, and is the fastest growing quadrant in the city, population wise.

Not saying the NC shouldn't be built, but… prioritize.

It's nice to see that phase 3 was even mentioned in the discussion, that is very encouraging that the parties involved seem set on it coming fully to fruition.
 
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