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Go Elevated or try for Underground?

  • Work with the province and go with the Elevated option

    Votes: 49 79.0%

  • Try another approach and go for Underground option

    Votes: 9 14.5%

  • Cancel it altogether

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Go with a BRT solution

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Total voters
    62
MichaelS said:
Proposed alternate alignment for the Greenline from Jim Gray and Barry Lester:
everydaytourist.ca

Gray & Lester: Propose New Green Line Alignment for Downtown Calgary — Every Day Tourist

Calgary professionals sent a letter to Calgary Mayor Nenshi asking Council to reconsider the proposed transit alignment of the Green Line that would save 1.8B.
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if Jim Gray cared about this city he would spend his time fundraising to save the YMCA that carries his name and would shut up about the damn green line route.

I’m not opposed to a Michael Bloomberg type rich guy mayoral run, but between Brett Wilson and Jim Gray, we have way too many cranky rich guys sticking their noses into municipal issues without the dedication to run for, win, and actually work at the job of being a mayor or councilor.
 
FriendlyDrunks said:
Well at least it is progress.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/green-line-lrt-city-council-province-1.6023036
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I doubt it. The province wants a line from Sheppard to Eau Claire to manage risk. That shorter line undermines the ridership projects by a lot, which undermines the business case. So the province comes back and says since ridership is only 2/3rds of expected compared to before, the project should only cost 2/3rds the amount. This is going to get worse before it gets better.
 
darwink said:
I doubt it. The province wants a line from Sheppard to Eau Claire to manage risk. That shorter line undermines the ridership projects by a lot, which undermines the business case. So the province comes back and says since ridership is only 2/3rds of expected compared to before, the project should only cost 2/3rds the amount. This is going to get worse before it gets better.
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Then why not keep dragging their feet on the technical issues? If the province has now finally given the okay on that - with councilors saying they aren't even sure what they really were in the first place - then why make this play instead?

I get the skepticism due to the wording of Eau Claire to Sheppard, but you figure the board and the councilors would think of this more of a red flag as a result, rather than Nenshi and Keating coming off fairly optimistic that the deal is finally gonna close.

If I'm to guess, I think because of how badly the UCP is polling right now, they're switching their play on this in an effort to build back support.
 
MichaelS said:
Proposed alternate alignment for the Greenline from Jim Gray and Barry Lester:
everydaytourist.ca

Gray & Lester: Propose New Green Line Alignment for Downtown Calgary — Every Day Tourist

Calgary professionals sent a letter to Calgary Mayor Nenshi asking Council to reconsider the proposed transit alignment of the Green Line that would save 1.8B.
everydaytourist.ca everydaytourist.ca
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Their plan would totally detract from the interesting streetscape that has been created at the Public Library site. It would obliterate the lovely plaza at the southwest corner of the Library and a train clunking by on an elevated line through that area would be a horrible sight! The only benefit I can see from this cockamamie plan is that RiverRun condos would be saved as well as Prince’s Island Park.
 
I feel like RiverRun condos being taken out is probably the biggest plus of the bridging over the Bow option 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
So I tried looking at a lot of the thread but 60 pages of reading could take a long time. So is funding the main delay right now or are there any other significant issues? I'm always fascinated with LRT construction regardless of what city it is in.
 
Edmcowboy11 said:
So I tried looking at a lot of the thread but 60 pages of reading could take a long time. So is funding the main delay right now or are there any other significant issues? I'm always fascinated with LRT construction regardless of what city it is in.
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The main issue is this, and that the deep bit of silt and clay is right at where the tunnel is supposed to run:
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This is causing risk allocation issues, which in turn is causing a funding issue, because of the need for contingencies upon contingencies with the contracting strategy the city chose.
 
Big green line days today and tomorrow.
Today:
The Green Line Board reports to Priorities and Finance, and tomorrow it reports to the Green Line Committee.
$628 million spent as of end of February, $634 million to date, with $712 million of committed costs.
The city is very close to awarding the construction manager contract for downtown utilities relocation.

Tomorrow the segment 2 functional plan will be brought to Green Line Committee.

The commercial team conducted a confidential market sounding with 24 builder/designers, tunnel companies and lenders.

Ridership estimate: Stage 1 will serve 55,000-65,000 transit users a day in 2028
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Tomorrow:
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Where the BRT overlaps Green Line Stage 1 on Centre Street N south of 16 Avenue N there are significant challenges associated with accommodating all modes of movement efficiently. Centre Street N will be reduced to a single lane of vehicular traffic in each direction, will include a median running LRT and will have limited left turning opportunities. Consideration had been given to allowing the BRT to operate with the LRT in the median (See Figure 2-5). However, due to the limited distance that the BRT and LRT could operate in a shared right-of-way (ROW) (approximately 5 blocks), the potential operational challenges for both BRT and LRT operations and impacts to the urban realm required to facilitate bus access into the LRT ROW, the recommendation is that the BRT will operate in the general-purpose travel lanes. As a method to improve operations, no BRT stops have been proposed south of 16 Avenue N to minimize additional impacts to vehicular flows, which is the same as the existing BRT operations.

North of 16th Ave: During the initial evaluation of a potential median running option, it became apparent that this option would require a significant amount of ROW be acquired, particularly since left turn movements across the median would need to be made on a protected signal phase and the stations would need to be located in the medians. This along with the challenges that an implementation of a median BRT would have for the northerly extension of the LRT led us to not examine this option in a significant amount of detail.

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