Urban Development and Proposals Discussion

[Mountain Man]

Summer splash park, winter skating. I believe that's what they do in Churchill Square in Edmonton

That what Olympic Plaza is, at least until they rip it out.

 

[lemongrab]

It seems the city has quite a bit of land to play with on the south side of 5th Ave, so it would be pretty easy to re-route everything to 5th Ave and 11th St (though it wouldn't really take any more space than the existing sidewalk that is pretty useless). How big of a loss would the Pumphouse AM lane reversal be? It wouldn't be impossible to keep it, but it would be nice to snap our fingers and have the pathway twinned

 

[darwink]

How big of a loss would the Pumphouse AM lane reversal be? It wouldn't be impossible to keep it, but it would be nice to snap our fingers and have the pathway twinned

CalTRACS says 1200 vehicles peak peak westbound in the PM, 800 eastbound in the AM peak hour in May, 2024. That is a marginal drop from pre-pandemic.

Peak hour on 9th east bound (west of 11th) is 4900 vehicles (May, Wednesday). Left turns 500, straight 2400, right turns 350 (August, Thursday). So, raising those by 50.7%, 753 left, 3617 straight, 528 right.

I can see moving those 800 vehicles from the reversal to 9th could push that intersection much closer to failure. Have to remember that before the reversal was in place that many many more vehicles traveled into Sunalta during rush hours.

 

[CalgaryTiger]

CalTRACS says 1200 vehicles peak peak westbound in the PM, 800 eastbound in the AM peak hour in May, 2024. That is a marginal drop from pre-pandemic.

Peak hour on 9th east bound (west of 11th) is 4900 vehicles (May, Wednesday). Left turns 500, straight 2400, right turns 350 (August, Thursday). So, raising those by 50.7%, 753 left, 3617 straight, 528 right.

I can see moving those 800 vehicles from the reversal to 9th could push that intersection much closer to failure. Have to remember that before the reversal was in place that many many more vehicles traveled into Sunalta during rush hours.

The concept, keeping in mind that's what it is and it is not a plan, shows the reversal lane being used as a bike path (pink pathway beside Bow Trail). Could the actual plan still use a reversed lane on Bow Trail to dump cars onto 5th Ave at the corner of Bow Trail and 11st St. I think so and don't see why not?

For reference, the concept reduces the five lanes to three on 5th Ave west of 9th St.

 

[lemongrab]

CalTRACS says 1200 vehicles peak peak westbound in the PM, 800 eastbound in the AM peak hour in May, 2024. That is a marginal drop from pre-pandemic.

Peak hour on 9th east bound (west of 11th) is 4900 vehicles (May, Wednesday). Left turns 500, straight 2400, right turns 350 (August, Thursday). So, raising those by 50.7%, 753 left, 3617 straight, 528 right.

I can see moving those 800 vehicles from the reversal to 9th could push that intersection much closer to failure. Have to remember that before the reversal was in place that many many more vehicles traveled into Sunalta during rush hours.

A lot of interesting variables here - we're supposed to get news on 11th St underpass in fall 2024. I wonder about making 11th St NB only. There's a lot to piece together, but it looks like 50-100 vehicles go SB at either peak, and almost all of them continue SB through the rail crossing (only ~10 turn EB onto each of 8th and 9th aves). A lot of varied local use cases there, but those could change a lot depending on the rail crossing, too.

 

[darwink]

Could the actual plan still use a reversed lane on Bow Trail to dump cars onto 5th Ave at the corner of Bow Trail and 11st St. I think so and don't see why not?

I think it could in the AM. PM is more challenging, asking two lanes to handle 3600 ish vehicles (the interchange study from 2014+the reversal lane), along with dealing with weaving traffic. flexiposts and enforcing no lane changes, your stuck, from a couple 100 metres past 11th could make it work, maybe.