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General Construction Updates

The former M-Tech building on MacLeod and 14ave is fenced off and they are digging up the parking lot, anyone know what this is about? Want to say I heard something about it on here, but can't quite recall...
According to DMAP there was a DP released for addition of child care service, elevated outdoor play area and covered parking along with changes to waste and recycling services on site. So maybe they are replacing the parking lot with structured parking with the play area on top of it?
 
Yeah there’s a billboard about the M-Tech building development near Nest I think. It’s basically gonna be some kind of new age Montessori school.
 
Mission Bridge and retaining wall rehab project.

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Marda Loop is an absolute nightmare to walk around right now. They've now ripped up the South side of 34th Ave between 17th and 20th street and there is a single narrow lane carrying the cars (which will be frustrated by 22nd Street now being closed off) through on a single lane. This makes the North side quite dangerous to walk on as you're getting real close to traffic.

I should add that despite the construction, Avitus was packed (with a lineup), and Marda Loop Brewing and Original Joe's patios were around 80% full. Even the new gelato place that opened this week had a couple people in it. So people are doing what they can to support local throughout.
 
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Marda Loop is an absolute nightmare to walk around right now. They've now ripped up the South side of 34th Ave between 17th and 20th street and there is a single narrow lane carrying the cars (which will be frustrated by 22nd Street now being closed off) through on a single lane. This makes the North side quite dangerous to walk on as you're getting real close to traffic.

I should add that despite the construction, Avitus was packed (with a lineup), and Marda Loop Brewing and Original Joe's patios were around 80% full. Even the new gelato place that opened this week had a couple people in it. So people are doing what they can to support local throughout.
I wonder how/if much time would be saved if they just fully closed sections and do the whole thing, then reopen as a final product? Granted timing is tricky as there's lots to do above and below grade - but seems to me half the work is shuffling things around to keep a lane open under all circumstances and putting up temporary stuff to just replace it later.

My thinking is more how to minimize people being upset about construction - if people are going to complain regardless, why not go for shorter, full closure rather than dragging things out? Perhaps what I am saying isn't possible or really that much more efficient?
 
My thinking is more how to minimize people being upset about construction - if people are going to complain regardless, why not go for shorter, full closure rather than dragging things out? Perhaps what I am saying isn't possible or really that much more efficient?
Sure, you can do things faster with more inconvenience and more money. You have to think about it from a sub trade/sub sub contractor example.

Imagine you have a required step that needs to be done after step 5 and before step 7. For exclusive full shutdown site access, it requires 24 hours of good weather, and 24 hours on either side to prep everything needed to site, and 24 hours to remove everything from site after. It requires all your crews to concentrate on a single site for those 72 hours.

So, the city builds a tight schedule of 3 weeks for a full shutdown.

What does this mean for the contractor? They have to price in the risk that step 1,2,3,4 and 5 are not completed on time. They have to price in the risk that the weather isn't good. And since they need the full crew, they have to price in the opportunity cost of not doing other work from the first possible day of work, to lets say, 15 days later.

So the city ends up paying for 15 days of a crew to do 3 days of work.

In the alternative scenario, the company is given 2 weeks to complete their work, and a window of 2 months when they can expect to be completing it. They aren't required to show up on a given day, nor are they required to stop other work to surge onto the city project.

Under this scenario, even though it is the same amount of work, the flexibility allows the company to only plan for 3 days worth of total crew time.

So.

Does the city decide to spend 5 times as much to save time? Will the same people then try to kill the project due to cost? Will the higher cost generate more political pain city wide than construction disruptions? Will both contractor capacity and the cost mean the city gets a lot less stuff done despite spending way more?
 
Sure, you can do things faster with more inconvenience and more money. You have to think about it from a sub trade/sub sub contractor example.

Imagine you have a required step that needs to be done after step 5 and before step 7. For exclusive full shutdown site access, it requires 24 hours of good weather, and 24 hours on either side to prep everything needed to site, and 24 hours to remove everything from site after. It requires all your crews to concentrate on a single site for those 72 hours.

So, the city builds a tight schedule of 3 weeks for a full shutdown.

What does this mean for the contractor? They have to price in the risk that step 1,2,3,4 and 5 are not completed on time. They have to price in the risk that the weather isn't good. And since they need the full crew, they have to price in the opportunity cost of not doing other work from the first possible day of work, to lets say, 15 days later.

So the city ends up paying for 15 days of a crew to do 3 days of work.

In the alternative scenario, the company is given 2 weeks to complete their work, and a window of 2 months when they can expect to be completing it. They aren't required to show up on a given day, nor are they required to stop other work to surge onto the city project.

Under this scenario, even though it is the same amount of work, the flexibility allows the company to only plan for 3 days worth of total crew time.

So.

Does the city decide to spend 5 times as much to save time? Will the same people then try to kill the project due to cost? Will the higher cost generate more political pain city wide than construction disruptions? Will both contractor capacity and the cost mean the city gets a lot less stuff done despite spending way more?
Thanks @darwink this was a great walkthrough on the factors involved.
 
Leonard Development Group strikes again! These are the developments I'm most excited about in Marda Loop. Much more than the Co-op proposal or the strip mall across the street.
Agreed. I'm excited for the Co-op proposal, but these smaller ones are my favorites. They're 100% wins. The Co-op development will add a lot of people to the area and will probably be a game changer, but these smaller ones are true urban fabric builders with no downsides.
 
Agreed. I'm excited for the Co-op proposal, but these smaller ones are my favorites. They're 100% wins. The Co-op development will add a lot of people to the area and will probably be a game changer, but these smaller ones are true urban fabric builders with no downsides.
I wonder how the cost math works out for these Leonard group projects - they seem really big on reusing what is already there, however often are doing some pretty substantial renos as well. I am assuming this scale is cheaper than tearing down and rebuilding everything from scratch? Is there a reason Marda Loop is seeing more of this scale/type of adaptive retail than elsewhere?

Really is a great little set of developments clustering on 34th.
 
I wonder how the cost math works out for these Leonard group projects - they seem really big on reusing what is already there, however often are doing some pretty substantial renos as well. I am assuming this scale is cheaper than tearing down and rebuilding everything from scratch? Is there a reason Marda Loop is seeing more of this scale/type of adaptive retail than elsewhere?

Really is a great little set of developments clustering on 34th.
Might be some way to change the tax treatment of land banking from passive to active. So the economics might be a bit different than other development schemes.
 
I wonder how the cost math works out for these Leonard group projects - they seem really big on reusing what is already there, however often are doing some pretty substantial renos as well. I am assuming this scale is cheaper than tearing down and rebuilding everything from scratch? Is there a reason Marda Loop is seeing more of this scale/type of adaptive retail than elsewhere?

Really is a great little set of developments clustering on 34th.
My assumption for the popularity of these in marda loop is that there quite a few small older houses and multi family units along 34th that are already zoned for commercial purposes. There have been quite a few in the area for a while, and leonard is spreading that type of commercial space east.
 
Leonard Development Group strikes again! These are the developments I'm most excited about in Marda Loop. Much more than the Co-op proposal or the strip mall across the street.View attachment 592824
These are just such a goldilocks conversion... I wonder how many properties Leonard owns. They should never stop doing these. Seems to make financial sense to them as this is now the third one of these they're doing? Here's the existing streetview.
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