Roaring Flames
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The exterior images are all from the end of November. This is the one I saved from the last frames of the November Timelapse: (note the snow)
Scotia Place | 36.85m | 11s | CSEC | HOK
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TooBizzy
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With how sensitive the issue of the arena is, at least they are hauling ass on it. We've been putting up a good track record of completing these things on time and on budget so far, and I think we will eventually be grateful for all the investment concentrated into Stampede Park once it's all said and done. Having a central events location that is much better integrated into the neighbourhoods around it, and is much more pleasant to exist on-foot around.
The impact of CMLC should be a lot more visible when it's not so constrained into one area. Capital's gotta flow somewhere, once there are no more big empty lots to fill up around here, it'll be onward to East Village, Beltline, various TOD sites.
The impact of CMLC should be a lot more visible when it's not so constrained into one area. Capital's gotta flow somewhere, once there are no more big empty lots to fill up around here, it'll be onward to East Village, Beltline, various TOD sites.
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CalgaryTiger
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Outside of the new truman trio hotels, and the rumours of the site on Macleod and 12th, there are no proposals for the area around the new arena or plans for the saddledome land. Granted the Stampede has engaged Populous to create another master plan... not sure when we'll get the details on that though. And once the new bus barn is completed off Blackfoot the bus barn will be another empty lot. I worry the ease of parking revenues and a shrinking national population might affect the momentum of development in the immediate area.
I guess what I'm saying is we're a decade and a half (2040?) from seeing the fruits of the arena seed an actual measured change in the neighbourhood. By then, we'll have some kind of Grand Central, a Green Line, fewer parking lots but I do still think there will be some, it is just too easy to throw down some gravel and take in income on a parking lot you don't pay much property tax on.
On a positive note, the high-quality streetscape around the arena will be great and I do have hope for the next phase of Stampede Park. I'm just not optimistic about the timeline of developing the available land around the public infrastructure.
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1875
Senior Member
when they say theyre ramping up to 1200 workers probably just as well its a sea of parking for the next 18mos.
Tothewest
Active Member
Yah, even in an optimistic scenario with a good economy and steady but rational immigration...the Rivers is going to take 20+ years to fill out. When including the Saddledome and bus barn sites, it's going to take 16-20 individual projects to fill in the lands east of 4th...let alone if you extend the area to 1st st. We are 18 years since CMLC was created, and EV is probably only 60% completed. This all takes time for a city of 1.4M
1875
Senior Member
the Eau Claire remediation was done in the 70s. 20yrs is prob v optimistic.
Tothewest
Active Member
Meh, the bus barns with still in that area in mid/late 80's, so it wasnt until those left that redevelopment occured . With horrible design, they put a lot of faith in the Market driving a presence in that area (grocery/restaurants/entertainment)...it obviously didn't, and thus that area of downtown really suffers with foot traffic. We are now back at square one with the Market, along with those long vacant lots between 4th and 6th.
Rivers has more going for it than Eau Claire of EV imo. Exisiting foot traffic with proper infrastructure and connections creates a significantly better investment climate.
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dazzlingdave88
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It'll be all built out just in time for CSEC to ask for a new arena......
Dkeirle
New Member
Personally I think EV has more going for it despite the DIC. It has the Bow River and it’s in the same side of the train tracks as downtown, having direct east - west connections into downtown via sixth Avenue and also by the pathway.
Infrastructurist
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Speaking of which I wonder whats going on with McMahon Stadium after the Grey Cup. Personally, I think we are too big of a city to not have a stadium like commonwealth where we can host concerts, huge sporting events etc. CalgaryNEXT would've been perfect for that but too be fair it was a little ambitious and I'm kind of glad that they focused their efforts on revitalizing beltline/east village.
Anyways as far as I know one of the main reasons we can't host concerts at McMahon is because of noise restrictions in that neighbourhood. The CMLC Rivers District plan obviously doesn't mention a stadium arena in that area, but wouldn't it be cool to have a replacement right next to Scotia Place, and BMO Center kind of how Vancouver has Rogers Arena and BC Place. It would also make for a place where huge artists (like The Weekend, Taylor Swift) can potentially come for Stampede.
What do you guys think about the option of replacing the GMC stadium to be a dual Rodeo/Football stadium. That could be a really cool "uniquely Calgary" solution that would set us apart from cities like Edmonton.
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FCC1982
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^I am all for that
FCC1982
Senior Member
Sounds about right.
Roaring Flames
Senior Member
Cool overhead shots here. I'll post the CTV article later on if it's worth posting