Scotia Place | 36.85m | 11s | CSEC | HOK

[Roaring Flames]

Updated

https://twitter.com/x/status/1407511796198543361

 

[darwink]

The changes are non-monetary, but that still might mean there are overruns, but within the scope of the agreement.

 

[Surrealplaces]

The changes are non-monetary, but that still might mean there are overruns, but within the scope of the agreement.

So translates into value engineering? Keep the same budget, but change materials or design to fit said budget?

 

[Roaring Flames]

Updated my post as there was an additional tweet added

 

[darwink]

Updated my post as there was an additional tweet added

Ahh good. Had heard they were very close dollar wise. As they removed a section have to think it is CMLC’s involvement. Good thing the Flames didn’t get the traffic control rights they wanted. Hopefully the street front retail remains.

 

[1875]

So translates into value engineering? Keep the same budget, but change materials or design to fit said budget?

i feel depress

 

[darwink]

i feel depress

I feel that maybe they were still trying to fit the practice rink in -- shrink the spectator seating from 1,000 at Rogers place to the 300 at little ceasars or even less-- or even dump the concept and the budget would start to look more realistic. (the $550 million approved amount was not an estimate, it was at best a guesstimate-something that any of us could have made).

 

[MissingMiddle]

I feel that maybe they were still trying to fit the practice rink in -- shrink the spectator seating from 1,000 at Rogers place to the 300 at little ceasars or even less-- or even dump the concept and the budget would start to look more realistic. (the $550 million approved amount was not an estimate, it was at best a guesstimate-something that any of us could have made).

With a project of this scale, I'd expect ~15% over. Pretty standard, but still about $83M.

 

[darwink]

With a project of this scale, I'd expect ~15% over. Pretty standard, but still about $83M.

The number I heard in April May was $70 million, by last week, $10 million, and now close to $0. Hopefully it turns out fine.

 

[darwink]

The number I heard in April May was $70 million, by last week, $10 million, and now close to $0. Hopefully it turns out fine.

Wrote too soon:

• CMLC out (this was a vote which required 10 votes)
• Up to $12.5 million overrun (public share of $25 million) contemplated

Project management, cost overruns part of revised Calgary arena deal - LiveWire Calgary

Two primary changes expected in Calgary’s Events Centre agreement include a change in project management and the triggering of a cost overruns clause in the contract, LiveWire Calgary has learned. Councillors were in an hours-long closed-door meeting Tuesday to discuss the $550-million deal and...

livewirecalgary.com

 

[Urb]

Where did you see the results of the vote removing CMLC as PM?

 

[darwink]

Where did you see the results of the vote removing CMLC as PM?

The article heavily implies that the non-financial vote at council on the agreement earlier in the week was the CMLC bit.

 

[Mountain Man]

I wonder what issue CSEC has with CMLC...

 

[haltcatchfire]

I wonder what issue CSEC has with CMLC...

My guess:
One wants something good for Calgary and its citizens. One wants something that generates money.

 

[The Familia]

If the Flames fuck this up and the arena loses all the public pedestrian components (retail, public skating rink, etc) then I’m officially done with the franchise. They can leave town for all I care.