Scotia Place | 36.85m | 11s | CSEC | HOK

[darwink]

Some of that provincial money is going to the green line station too which was already provincially funded

Someone finally realized that an underground station designed for peak loads from a stadium is much different than one from a residential neighbourhood/convention centre.

 

[Roaring Flames]

I could be wrong but wasn't the new underpass originally proposed for 5th street instead of 6th? 6th is definitely better

 

[darwink]

Also looks like a mixed use tower or something on the NE corner?

No details but speculation is offices for CSEC/foundation; maybe a hotel; maybe long stay of some sort.

 

[artvandelay]

I was on board with the Mayor and City walking away from the deal after Edwards tried to strong arm us into paying for what CSEC had agreed to, but now we are effectively paying the total cost of the original arena design. Seriously, we look like giant fools.

Construction cost inflation is another level, bruh.

 

[Roaring Flames]

It sounded like the idea of Stampede Trail having the ability to be closed during events was being scrapped from what John Bean said

 

[jhappy77]

I don't see why there even needs to be a 6th St Underpass at all. Even with an underpass, 6th St would not even be 800m long in total. Couldn't you save a ton of money and just make a pedestrian tunnel instead? People would then easily be able to scooter, walk, or bike between Vic Park and East Village, and if you insist on needing a car for 700m you can make a minor detour to 4th St. It just seems like unnecessary bloat.

 

[O-tac]

And here are the winners (whiners) of the new arena deal!

 

[Roaring Flames]

And here are the winners (whiners) of the new arena deal!

Fitting that MLSE is photobombing. That's the company CSEC clearly idolizes

 

[smart_development]

Unfortunately it's the reality of North American pro sports at the end of the day. The league is a monopoly...so they have leverage over the cities they operate in.

 

[Mountain Man]

I don't see why there even needs to be a 6th St Underpass at all. Even with an underpass, 6th St would not even be 800m long in total. Couldn't you save a ton of money and just make a pedestrian tunnel instead? People would then easily be able to scooter, walk, or bike between Vic Park and East Village, and if you insist on needing a car for 700m you can make a minor detour to 4th St. It just seems like unnecessary bloa

I think we definitely need the underpass in the future. Once EV and VP are fully built out, having more than 1 connection will be great for moving people. I hope they include cycle tracks as part of the construction.

 

[DougB]

Money is fungible. But people care what money goes where. So we get this result.

It is obfuscation so the Province can claim it isn't funding the facility

 

[adamyyc]

If nothing else, the new orientation does seem better.

 

[Roaring Flames]

PLEASE LET POPULOUS WIN THE DESIGN RIGHTS

 

[CBBarnett]

No details but speculation is offices for CSEC/foundation

Why not right? 30% office vacancy and all that. Maybe they can apply for the office conversion program to squeeze a few more dollars into the deal.

I like the orientation and the community arena/retail bays. I hope they aren't sacrificed to the escalation and overrun project cut backs that come with a project this size once it's closer to construction.

Is there a limit to how much a provincial government can promise to spend after a budget is approved but before an election?

Overall it's all been said - deal will go down be another example of what not to do long history of stadium corporate welfare schemes (Assuming it actually gets built of course - everyone was really confident last time too)

 

[Roaring Flames]

The exact cost of the new arena as part of the deal is $873.6 Million.