thecivilengineer
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i noticed that its used by Fairmont, and used by others people from Palliser offices too. But there's other options for parking or they can redevelop area in much better way.
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Calgary Regional Rail Transit
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lemongrab
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Didn't want to put this in the green line thread... They've got new ideas over at Waterous and they're... Interesting?
Opinion: Untying Calgary's airport, downtown and Green Line Gordian knot
The city's Plus-15 system provides a solution to how to build the Green Link, link to the airport and also run a train out to Banff.calgaryherald.com
"If CPKC gets on board, the province can build CADE from the airport to downtown within the CPKC rail corridor and then elevate the track for 5.5 km between the Bow River and 11th Street S.W. CADE’s 2.4-km downtown section could include three new stations along 9th Avenue: Downtown East (at 4th Street S.E. — Grand Central Station), Midtown (at 3rd Street S.W.) and Downtown West (at 11th Street S.W)."
No way it happens. I like the Waterous' though, they're like us but have money.
Friends of Calgary Airport Banff Rail
Using the first hydrogen-powered passenger train in North America, the Calgary Airport Banff Rail will connect Calgary's airport to downtown Calgary and out to Banff with train stops in between.friendsofcabr.com
The friendsofcabr site won't even load. I guess the dozens of us clicking it have overloaded it. I really wish I could see it because this makes very little sense.
They want the province to build this elevated part and all of the +15s??
The Green Line 4th St station to City Hall station is like 630 meters as the crow flies...at the most optimistic this would be like 800 meters + ascending and descending multiple levels. Is she proposing a +15 over 3rd Street SE, too? What problem does this solve that the 4th St underpass doesn't?
It seems they are worried that elevated GL destroys their own pipe dream. They can't negotiate use of one of CPKC's 4 tracks through DT?
The delusion and entitlement is hilarious.
lemongrab
Active Member
Well the website finally loaded and...that is really...something.
Nice of them to suggest a NEW Optional UG station for the red line less than 300 metres from City Hall...for some reason. That's actually closer than the Centre St station to City Hall. It's optional though, so that's cool.
Slap another few +15s into the west. Do they know that the Chinook mall +15 cost $13M (~2017) for like 160 meters?
We'll just ignore the bridge over the Bow River for a moment to tell you how great this WILL be for CPKC. (is it just me or does the "NOT" seem like a funny choice here?)
These people failed to get a comparatively simple gondola approved in Banff. Meanwhile Lake Louise will be opening their 3rd new lift in the last 4 years, and apparently next year they are even doing a lift to Richardson's Ridge, which has been desired since the 80s. Even the idiots running Sunshine have managed a few major lift upgrades.
I'm sure the Waterous's are lovely people and their heart is in the right place, but this is amateur hour. What's the strategy here? Are they really trying to negotiate in public with CPKC and the province? We know one of those parties DGAF what Calgarians think, and the other one REALLY DGAF was Calgarians think! But maybe this op-ed and video will achieve a groundswell of support...???
Nice of them to suggest a NEW Optional UG station for the red line less than 300 metres from City Hall...for some reason. That's actually closer than the Centre St station to City Hall. It's optional though, so that's cool.
Slap another few +15s into the west. Do they know that the Chinook mall +15 cost $13M (~2017) for like 160 meters?
We'll just ignore the bridge over the Bow River for a moment to tell you how great this WILL be for CPKC. (is it just me or does the "NOT" seem like a funny choice here?)
These people failed to get a comparatively simple gondola approved in Banff. Meanwhile Lake Louise will be opening their 3rd new lift in the last 4 years, and apparently next year they are even doing a lift to Richardson's Ridge, which has been desired since the 80s. Even the idiots running Sunshine have managed a few major lift upgrades.
I'm sure the Waterous's are lovely people and their heart is in the right place, but this is amateur hour. What's the strategy here? Are they really trying to negotiate in public with CPKC and the province? We know one of those parties DGAF what Calgarians think, and the other one REALLY DGAF was Calgarians think! But maybe this op-ed and video will achieve a groundswell of support...???
Gazyyc
New Member
That's even worse than I thought it would be. They want it elevated all the way out to the bridge in Inglewood, CPKC must be laughing their asses off in their boardroom.
I can only imagine the number of zeros on any cheque CPKC would want for the disruption from demolishing two parkades above their line, building 3 stations above their line and building that long of an elevated track ....... Above their line.
I thought that the Provincial rail plan was back of napkin stuff but this knocks that out the park .
I can only imagine the number of zeros on any cheque CPKC would want for the disruption from demolishing two parkades above their line, building 3 stations above their line and building that long of an elevated track ....... Above their line.
I thought that the Provincial rail plan was back of napkin stuff but this knocks that out the park .
lemongrab
Active Member
What parts of "NOT impacted" and "this couldn't be easier" do you not understand?!?!?!
CalgaryTiger
Senior Member
Wonder if the rail regulations saying freight has right of way over passenger will change? I don’t think so, they got them to stop a strike after a few hours.
lemongrab
Active Member
What's the deal with the 12-14m requirement? Aren't there dozens of crossings that are much lower? Or are they just setting a new standard for decades down the line when other things reach life cycle?
Also, does CPKC really need all 4 tracks through DT? I suppose they must think so since they just spent a bunch on a new bridge to achieve 4 tracks from DT through to Ramsay, but I'm surprised the DT sections seems to be a bigger hurdle than the single track sections over/near the river that will be expensive to twin. I spend a fair bit of time at Edworthy and it's hard to square how busy the tracks actually are...sometimes it's be hours without a train.
Also, does CPKC really need all 4 tracks through DT? I suppose they must think so since they just spent a bunch on a new bridge to achieve 4 tracks from DT through to Ramsay, but I'm surprised the DT sections seems to be a bigger hurdle than the single track sections over/near the river that will be expensive to twin. I spend a fair bit of time at Edworthy and it's hard to square how busy the tracks actually are...sometimes it's be hours without a train.
darwink
Senior Member
The Banff link can free stand. the province wants to own it though so needs to figure out an arrangement the province is happy with to buy it.
darwink
Senior Member
The regulation doesn’t work like that. It is more of a ‘you get what you pay for’. The Banff link will more than quadruple capacity between Calgary and Banff. Part of the arrangement has been envisioned for a long time as the link rents capacity on the mainline for contingency use and rents the ROW in exchange for CP having access to that excess capacity when not needed otherwise for passenger service.
darwink
Senior Member
Sometimes it really depends on how busy the crowsnest pass is as they work together to some degree due to shared capacity west of golden. Each can handle up to 35, 37 maybe trains a day if the other has 0.
There is also that they hold a lot of recovery capacity in the winter, yet fall harvest is peak shipping.
With various strikes, washouts, accidents, maintenance needs which reduce capacity.
The four tracks right now are about train building iirc more than anything else. It was cheaper to close the crossing by penguin car wash and build the bridge than to relocate activities. At the same time the move reduced train building happening over 11th SW.
darwink
Senior Member
Land works is what railways are good at. As long as there aren’t too many aesthetic preferences we can still build for cheap.
It is amazing what can be done when the scope is locked in place and the nearly the only thing that matters. Almost the total opposite of our typical municipal way of doing.
CalgaryTiger
Senior Member
The “what if we also do this” with infrastructure projects is out of control. IMO simpler is timeless I like the simplicity of that CPKC bridge over the elbow.
CalgaryTiger
Senior Member
It's expected to take four to five years to design the future high-speed line. Funds are to be allocated at the end of that time period, so it's possible a future government could modify or cancel the project.
Want to be excited but wonder if this will be killed by a subsequent government. It is easy to kill this at any point over the next four to five years. Excited for the provincial rail plan next spring, Danielle will be through her leadership pandering by then.
YYCguy
Active Member
I got all excited and thought this was about the Calgary to Bsnff/Edmonton projects.
Urban_Views
New Member
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/toronto-montreal-high-speed-rail-1.7367300
According to this news article, the corridor between Calgary and Edmonton is also apparently being studied by the federal government.
This graphic is also a cool way to visualize the route. It puts the distance travelled into perspective for how much infrastructure this would be.
According to this news article, the corridor between Calgary and Edmonton is also apparently being studied by the federal government.
This graphic is also a cool way to visualize the route. It puts the distance travelled into perspective for how much infrastructure this would be.