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Go Elevated or try for Underground?

  • Work with the province and go with the Elevated option

    Votes: 49 79.0%

  • Try another approach and go for Underground option

    Votes: 9 14.5%

  • Cancel it altogether

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Go with a BRT solution

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Total voters
    62
DougB said:
Thoughts on the portal:
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DougB said:
2) Why does the LRT bridge have not only another pedestrian crossing, but one on either side? Pedestrian crossings of the lagoon already exist to the immediate east and immediate west. Keeping the bridge narrower will lessen it visual impact. Creating a redududant north-south pedestrian flow only adds to congestion
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That pedestrian pathway will go all the way across the river with the bridge, so it isn't another connection to Prince's Island. Now should there be a pathway on each side or just make a wide enough one on one side of the bridge?
 
NGL that plaza/portal concept is awful in my opinion. Way too much going on, and completely messes with the connectivity of the river pathway. It is just a concept and need to remind myself that, but they should have at least tried to show the pathway continuing under the bridge.

That observation deck thing above that tracks makes me think that they should consider running the pedestrian part of the bridge up there for it's length instead of flanking each side and making it so wide. I do remember reading somewhere that they are justifying having 2 pathways (one each side of the tracks) on the bridge though.
 
There isn't an oversight in the render as pathway will not continue underneath the bridge as there is not enough clearance underneath the bridge unless the pathway is pushed well into the lagoon and into the flood zone. What you see is a (not quite finalized) version of what you'll get. Personally I like it. A slightly longer detour is a small price to pay for what could prove to be an extremely interesting outdoor gathering space along the river.
 
What I don't get is that there are hundreds of places that pedestrians and cyclists cross LRT tracks at grade in this city without a massive block-sized stair-ramp-and-bridge piece of infrastructure. Like, it's nice to put a plaza amenity here, and it's nice to have pedestrian thruways that cross over the tracks. But the entire history of Calgary's C-train is a history of learning that we don't need separated pedestrian overpasses at all costs to preferring at-grade crossings; the most significant revamp of a station -- at Chinook -- was to get away from pedestrian overpasses, and the same thing is happening at Victoria Park/Stampede right now.

Particularly for the cycle facility, it would be valuable to have a through option instead of a long, hilly detour. Just drop four quadrant crossing gates down for the ten seconds every few minutes a train is there.
 
ByeByeBaby said:
What I don't get is that there are hundreds of places that pedestrians and cyclists cross LRT tracks at grade in this city without a massive block-sized stair-ramp-and-bridge piece of infrastructure. Like, it's nice to put a plaza amenity here, and it's nice to have pedestrian thruways that cross over the tracks. But the entire history of Calgary's C-train is a history of learning that we don't need separated pedestrian overpasses at all costs to preferring at-grade crossings; the most significant revamp of a station -- at Chinook -- was to get away from pedestrian overpasses, and the same thing is happening at Victoria Park/Stampede right now.

Particularly for the cycle facility, it would be valuable to have a through option instead of a long, hilly detour. Just drop four quadrant crossing gates down for the ten seconds every few minutes a train is there.
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Or just do the easy thing - for cyclists a flood exposed quick route is fine. Sure, the CPTED is just awful, but whatever.

Thi sis just a design to show people it could be something. This isn't a what it is going to be. I expect actual landscape architects to be involved and design something befiting its prominence in both use, and place.
 
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Big difference between building in protected corridors (railway ROW, and set aside ROW), and creating a exclusive corridor.

Plus some systems don't care when they build over parallel utilities, because they make the compromise that they'll just shut down the system if the utility needs work.

That being said, NC still seems to have gone awry.
 
Same as it ever was (since the UCP was elected really). The province explicitly told the city to change the contracting strategy: at least Shepard to Stephen Ave simultaneously, more later.
 
What a joke. I would build it from Eau Clare right down to Seton and just do the entire SE line only. Would that be feasible with the current budget? At least we would have one functional line that actually goes to areas with people living in them. That would be huge for the South Health campus and the whole Seton area.
 
Sounds like they literally only have the budget to build Eau Claire to Shepard and that's about it. That being said, Councillor Gondek brought forward a Motion Arising yesterday to dedicate 50% of all future Provincial and Federal transit funding to completing Green Line. If that were to pass it would be a game changer as that would essentially guarantee the entire Green Line from Keystone to Seton will be built, it's just a matter of time.

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The Familia said:
What a joke. I would build it from Eau Clare right down to Seton and just do the entire SE line only. Would that be feasible with the current budget? At least we would have one functional line that actually goes to areas with people living in them. That would be huge for the South Health campus and the whole Seton area.
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That is what I have thought from the beginning of the troubles. Nix the crossing until it can be fully studied, and just build at least to Mahogany Station.


@outoftheice That would be great. I would love to see this debate and hopefully speak at council. I spoke at council in favour of Courtyard 33 with fervour as part of an assignment in one of my classes. This would be so easy to speak for.
 
outoftheice said:
Sounds like they literally only have the budget to build Eau Claire to Shepard and that's about it. That being said, Councillor Gondek brought forward a Motion Arising yesterday to dedicate 50% of all future Provincial and Federal transit funding to completing Green Line. If that were to pass it would be a game changer as that would essentially guarantee the entire Green Line from Keystone to Seton will be built, it's just a matter of time.

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I think many members of council were alarmed that Gondek would move a motion arising based on a confidential report. Also council binding the hands of future councils is (not even the next council, this is now talking about money that stretches into the 2030s!) a bit ummm. Not great. I doubt it will pass.
 
darwink said:
I think many members of council were alarmed that Gondek would move a motion arising based on a confidential report. Also council binding the hands of future councils is (not even the next council, this is now talking about money that stretches into the 2030s!) a bit ummm. Not great. I doubt it will pass.
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And I'm sure most councillors have transit projects in their wards that they would like to get funding for as well. But Gondek must be frustrated at the slow pace of Stage 1 and the RouteAhead team continuing to ignore the request to rank future stages of the Green Line.
 
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