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Urban Development and Proposals Discussion

With all of the new developments happening on 16 Ave N and Macleod Trail recently, it is becoming increasingly important for the City of Calgary to create and complete well-thought out Streetscape Master Plans for these areas. Not only for the developments that are in the pipeline now, but to create a condition for better redevelopment sooner. There is a lot of under-utilized land along these corridors and we are going to see sustained and increasing pressure for redeveloping these lots moving forward. Mobility connections and designs are being done ad hoc at the Development Permit stage and I would suggest we need a plan for these interfaces now so that builders can build to the ultimate expected condition and to ensure good development outcomes, consistently on these main streets.

The Broadway Plan in Vancouver shows what the expectations are for how development interfaces with the street: https://guidelines.vancouver.ca/policy-plan-broadway-public-realm.pdf
We need these details to ensure good or even intentional urban design outcomes for redevelopment projects happen and that the current mobility conditions and objectives don't kill the street-orientation of developments and in particular CRU's.

It'll become pretty clear why when the CRU's occupy at the 16 Ave Co-op redevelopment and the "street-fronting" shops orient there front doors away from 16 Ave towards the parking lot:
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This condition happens basically everywhere in the City where mobility focusses on car throughput of the adjacent street and forces front doors to orient towards the back even though the Land Use Bylaw is trying to get commercial units to face the street. This happens in the majority of situations to be honest:
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and the outcome:
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and again street-fronting buildings:
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oh i guess not:
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Here's what you'll get for "Main Street" redevelopment if mobility issues and a streetscape design aren't created:
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Not exactly a suitable outcome for how buildings should interact with a main street:
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I really hope that we can create good streetscape plans so that redevelopment can orient towards main streets and the street correctly, instead of ad hoc outcomes at Development Permit creating final conditions that we won't look favourably at, which is happening all the time right now. I use Bowness Road where the main street improvements have been made and walked the 33 Ave improvements and kudos to the City teams (likely a lot from Mobility Eng who i've been critical of) that have worked on those they did a good job and all i'm asking is for more of it and sooner. Provisions for off-peak street parking are necessary for all main streets no matter the current size and throughput, and i don't believe these should be staged as short, medium and long term as they are with the 16 Ave NW planned improvements. Create a design and build to the final condition (read: the long term condition) so that developers and builders can put it in at the time of development as the final intended design should be. But we need a good design to build to, and if we do that builders and the City of Calgary can create the outcomes we all hope for. There are way too many times that the short or medium term plans are what are half realized and the long term plan never comes to fruition. So just plan for the final, optimal condition of the main street interface and let it play out and develop that way.
 
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Nice to see this program turning into a success. I think there's also 1 office to hotel conversion underway as well if I'm not mistaken?

"There are 11 office-to-residential conversions currently underway, creating 1,498 new homes for roughly 2,400 future downtown residents."

 
As was Cube. Either way, the conversion program has been a resounding success for sure. Looking forward to the bigger conversion projects like Palliser, and hopefully many others to come.
 
It has converted property yes. I still argue that the program had the wrong metric at the start, and that some more creativity could have led to similar results with more public benefit. Like the Post-Secondary conversion, that is a much better result imo.
 
I think this round of conversions will be a success over time. It accomplishes, getting an extra 3,000 people living in the commercial core, but it'll take a while to really see the true results of its effect on downtown overall. If it were up to me, I'd pause on doing another round of funding for conversions until we get the full results and for now spend money on some other improvements for downtown. Maybe a second round of conversion funding can be done later on to help keep the momentum once we see where that momentum is going.

One point I'm happy about with the conversions, is most seem to be at the west end, where we also have a hotel and a post secondary campus going in, couple that with improvements to 8th st and could very well see a renaissance of sorts in that part of downtown. If we could build off that momentum, we may be able to fully turn a section of downtown.
 
At what? $75 million dollars? $25,000 each? I'm just supposing that the $75 million could have been spent in ways that attracted 3000 more residents and created a benefit for the rest of the city at the same time.
It's a lot of money, but once the residents are there it should be permanent going forward. I don't like the idea of conversions being the only way to solve downtown issues, but it's one part of it, and it's a one time cost. I feel the same about money to do a post secondary conversion.
 
It's a lot of money, but once the residents are there it should be permanent going forward. I don't like the idea of conversions being the only way to solve downtown issues, but it's one part of it, and it's a one time cost. I feel the same about money to do a post secondary conversion.
I agree, the thing is, downtown revitalization will never work unless people are part of the equation. We know having office workers as the people part of the equation doesn’t work, the people part of the equation needs to be residents.
Students and tourists also help, but there needs to be a primary base of residents.
 

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