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Urban Development and Proposals Discussion

Mountain Man said:
That looks great, but would likely cost $2-300 million at least.
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Yeah, in these times that price tag for a park and a bus barn will not happen. In the good times, I could see it. We have industrial land near starting points that the cost of this could build three buildings and a park (where the old bus barn is, not that that's what should be done with that space).
 
DiscoStu said:
What's the price on that sucker? Looks great, but not sure that's in the cards.
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“A long-awaited bus depot for Montreal's transit authority is now estimated to cost about $584 million, more than double its initial estimate.

Announced in 2017 by then Montreal mayor Denis Coderre, the Bellechasse project was initially slated to cost $254 million, about 40 per cent of the current price tag.”

ca.news.yahoo.com

Cost of STM bus depot balloons to over $500M, more than double initial estimate

A long-awaited bus depot for Montreal's transit authority is now estimated to cost about $584 million, more than double its initial estimate. Announced in 2017 by then Montreal mayor Denis Coderre, the Bellechasse project was initially slated to cost $254 million, about 40 per cent of the...
ca.news.yahoo.com ca.news.yahoo.com
 
A bunker in an industrial park isn't going to be $150 to $200 million either. It's going to cost $300 to $400 million. Still much cheaper than the Montreal Taj Mahal for transit buses. I just wonder how it only cost $600 million.
 
maestro said:
A bunker in an industrial park isn't going to be $150 to $200 million either. It's going to cost $300 to $400 million. Still much cheaper than the Montreal Taj Mahal for transit buses. I just wonder how it only cost $600 million.
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Given how expensive all infrastructure is, $600M actually seems like a pretty good deal to get a fancy underground bus storage centre fully integrated into an established inner city area with a park on top. If you had built this where Vic Park bus garage was in the first place, no one would be asking you to move it as it's a net positive to your community development, not negative. Put some perspective on it, you could get 1.5 to 2 of these fancy garages for the price of an arena!

All that said, Montreal has a very different context, scale, history and land availability context. Something like this in Calgary doesn't have enough factors aligned to exist, most notably because we have great located vacant land all over the place that doesn't require as much good urban design and engineering to make work.
 
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CBBarnett said:
Given how expensive all infrastructure is, $600M actually seems like a pretty good deal to get a fancy underground bus storage centre fully integrated into an established inner city area with a park on top. If you had built this where Vic Park bus garage was in the first place, no one would be asking you to move it as it's a net positive to your community development, not negative. Put some perspective on it, you could get 1.5 to 2 of these fancy garages for the price of an arena!

All that said, Montreal has a very different context, scale, history and land availability context. Something like this in Calgary doesn't have enough factors aligned to exist, most notably because we have great located vacant land all over the place that doesn't require as much good urban design and engineering to make work.
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It would be wonderful to have a park raised well above the flood plain in the VP bus barn spot. The views would be incredible, and a great opportunity to dampen the rail noise with a fairly dense line of trees at the northern and western sides of it, with little groves interspred throughout, and sloping into the river like we have at Riverwalk Plaza and the Centre Street Bridge.
 
UrbanWarrior said:
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It would be wonderful to have a park raised well above the flood plain in the VP bus barn spot. The views would be incredible, and a great opportunity to dampen the rail noise with a fairly dense line of trees at the northern and western sides of it, with little groves interspred throughout, and sloping into the river like we have at Riverwalk Plaza and the Centre Street Bridge.
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You don't need to bury the thing in the ground. Just bury it by building up the ground, like you say.
 
DP just submitted by DAAS Architects for a neat little triplex development in Sunalta. I'm a fan.

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maestro said:
There's so much nonsense in government contracts that narrows down the field and allows the few experienced government bidders to up their bids.
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I do wonder what a private sector major bus garage would cost, if there is such a comparable thing that would have a similar scale, fleet size and operational requirements.

Now I am all interested in this niche world of bus garage costs and design, here's another massively expensive one in Vancouver for 300 busses in a multi-storey garage configuration. No cheap land in Vancouver, plus got slammed with inflation and new seismic code requirements. $848M!

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https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/translink-marpole-transit-centre-bus-depot-vancouver-cost
 
maestro said:
There's so much nonsense in government contracts that narrows down the field and allows the few experienced government bidders to up their bids.
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I've tried to submit a couple of proposals for government contracts before, and just the process of submission alone made my brain hurt. It was needlessly byzantine, and this was for a relatively simple graphic design project... I can't even imagine what it's like for something like a building.
 
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