jianxia15
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Infill townhome in Bankview at the junction of 16 St and 21 Ave.
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Urban Development and Proposals Discussion
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Infill townhome in Bankview at the junction of 16 St and 21 Ave.
CalgaryTiger
Senior Member
This block along Macleod southbound has a bit going on. It has the 1503 1ST proposal for apartments, the lot along 1ST and 15th AVE is for sale and now... I see this development permit to makeover the building on the corner of 1ST and 17AVE.
Is it different? Yes. Is it better? No. There are random random planters, a weird rock garden (which I guess is better than dead grass), a pull through driveway, and generally really poor urban design.
Is it different? Yes. Is it better? No. There are random random planters, a weird rock garden (which I guess is better than dead grass), a pull through driveway, and generally really poor urban design.
Mountain Man
Senior Member
Looks about as basic as you can get for a renovation. That corner should have a 20storey condo with retail at grade!
haltcatchfire
Senior Member
There's ROOM for improvement.
CBBarnett
Senior Member
Thinking about this a bit and the applicant listed (a BBQ place), I am starting to get the impression the whole design is literally just to figure out how to load the garbage bins while doing minimal renovations as possible and not interfering with the flow of 1st Street SE car sewer.
The solution arrived at was to have the garbage bins adjacent to the walkable Main Street of 17th Ave, and keep the wide, swooping access ramps across what is arguably the busiest sidewalks in the city.
I am going to take a wild guess and think that any talk of loading garbages off 1st Street SE (where there is already a back-of-house garage ramp and door) was shot down given the importance of keeping cars flowing. This, of course, neglects 1 Street SE here is over-built with extra unneeded lanes peak oriented traffic flow, and things like garbages can be scheduled to just not conflict with the busier parts of the day.
A billion of public investment into major event facilities a hundred metres away, plus opening up 17th Ave into the grounds and this is the land use and design. Yikes. Great work everyone, no notes - glad it seems stalled out(?) so at least we have another try in a few years.
CalgaryTiger
Senior Member
BBQ Place is beside it to the west.
This one is DP2023-05943 described as:
Description: Changes to Site Plan: Conference and Event Facility (parking & landscape), Revision: Conference and Event Facility (mezzanines), Change of Use: Conference and Event Facility
Applicant: CYNC ARCHITECTURE
darwink
Senior Member
They didn't. Interest rates made the hurdle rate for investment much higher, so lowed investment. This will reduce the capital cost, enabling construction with the higher hurdle rate.
Calgcouver
Active Member
No irrigated planters filled with rocks, 100% of the design is how to get a garbage removal truck to the Molok garbage system that will be the centre piece of the frontage onto 17th Ave. Truly inspirational stuff. They couldn’t have extended the building forward to meet the sidewalk or used the 17 Ave frontage area for huge patios? Just garbage removal and two parking stalls, gotcha. At least the mobility engineers reviewing the file will love it.
JoeUrban
Active Member
They are free to request heritage designation of their homes at any time, but so far they mostly haven't, interesting hey?
JoeUrban
Active Member
One item I'm curious about is this one:
1.C.2. Rescind the Single Detached Special Policy Area in the Guide to Local Area Planning and relevant statutory plans, immediately.
Being that the North Hill plan has already been passed would that need a council meeting and public hearing? Since it's basically rewriting part of the plan.
From what I can see this applied specifically to Rosedale in the NHLAP
Not sure if such a thing exists in the Riley communities LAP which is scheduled to present the completed plan to the public in 4 weeks.
1.C.2. Rescind the Single Detached Special Policy Area in the Guide to Local Area Planning and relevant statutory plans, immediately.
Being that the North Hill plan has already been passed would that need a council meeting and public hearing? Since it's basically rewriting part of the plan.
From what I can see this applied specifically to Rosedale in the NHLAP
Not sure if such a thing exists in the Riley communities LAP which is scheduled to present the completed plan to the public in 4 weeks.
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artvandelay
Active Member
Development engineers at the city are very inflexible on allowing any design that requires a garbage truck to back up onto a major street - this is 100% driving the site plan.
They could easily push the moloks to the west side of the site and free up a massive patio area if there was flexibility on that requirement.
Mountain Man
Senior Member
Meanwhile, the Underwood site has garbage trucks parking on the damn sidewalk and then backing into 1st every day... lol
adamyyc
Active Member
Missed opportunity for a massive patio, blocks from the Stampede grounds.
CBBarnett
Senior Member
Edit - lol, it's even worse than I suggested. A truck wouldn't even block the whole over-built 4 lane one way road, just the right hand lane.
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CalgaryTiger
Senior Member
This is a great take but reality, at least in my area, is a little different. What you want is happening in Altadore/Marda Loop along 19th and 20th Streets there are multiple Row/Townhomes going in while 33rd Avenue gets Sarina Apartment after Sarina Apartment. The issue with 33rd is the fact they built multiple duplexes and infills over the last 20 years that will be right next to half block apartments.