CBBarnett
Senior Member
Has there ever been traffic forecasts or volume expectations released for either the West or SW ring road? I drove it a few weeks ago and wow - that's a wide and empty road SW of the reservoir.
It’s wide because they left a right away in the middle for a future highway. It’s empty because it abruptly ends at 146th ave. When the portion from there to Macleod is finished and opens it will a highly used road. Once complete to 16ave that portion of the ring road will be as busy as the other quadrantsHas there ever been traffic forecasts or volume expectations released for either the West or SW ring road? I drove it a few weeks ago and wow - that's a wide and empty road SW of the reservoir.
A future highway that the province has even admitted likely won't ever get built. But they needed to purchase the land just in case, as the reserve had a clause in the sale to never selkl land for highways again. (Or something along those lines)It’s wide because they left a right away in the middle for a future highway. It’s empty because it abruptly ends at 146th ave. When the portion from there to Macleod is finished and opens it will a highly used road. Once complete to 16ave that portion of the ring road will be as busy as the other quadrants
It is explicitly a transportation utility corridor. Pipelines, power lines, however unlikely rail lines. Solar would be a good use - a full lifecycle of panels could likely go on before we'd even consider building more roads there.Use the space for a pipeline, if needed.
Who would ride a line that was that far out?The median of the SW ring road would make great ROW for a circumferential LRT line:
Seton (transfer with Green Line)->Somerset Station (connect with Red Line)->jog over to 162nd Ave ROW->future Providence area->re-join ring road ROW->Westhills->Glenmore Trail ROW->MRU->37th Street ROW->Westbrook Station (transfer with Blue Line)->Shaganappi Golf Course ROW and new bridge over river->29th Street ROW->Foothills Hospital->West Campus Blvd ROW->University District->New University Station->Brentwood Station (transfer with Red Line)
Something like this:Why would they ever want to build a highway adjacent to the ring road? Couldn't they just expand highway 2 or 22? Seems a little redundant
Yikes. Let's hope the sprawl never gets that bad.
How busy are the other quadrants? Did they publish a traffic volume forecast as well prior to opening? Most of these were built to 4 or 6 lanes at opening, not 8+ as is the case in the SWRR. Did the SWRR forecast suggest 2x the opening day traffic of the other segments and therefore it's twice as wide?It’s wide because they left a right away in the middle for a future highway. It’s empty because it abruptly ends at 146th ave. When the portion from there to Macleod is finished and opens it will a highly used road. Once complete to 16ave that portion of the ring road will be as busy as the other quadrants
A future highway that the province has even admitted likely won't ever get built. But they needed to purchase the land just in case, as the reserve had a clause in the sale to never selkl land for highways again. (Or something along those lines)
Who would ride a line that was that far out?
Highway 2 between Edmonton and Leduc was built with a similarly wide median based on agressive growth predictions from the 1960's.How busy are the other quadrants? Did they publish a traffic volume forecast as well prior to opening? Most of these were built to 4 or 6 lanes at opening, not 8+ as is the case in the SWRR. Did the SWRR forecast suggest 2x the opening day traffic of the other segments and therefore it's twice as wide?
I get it's traffic will increase as it's better connected but I haven't heard a convincing argument in the past decade why it's so large on opening day and as far as I know, no traffic forecast data was ever published for the west or southwest corridors.
That is "future-proofing" to the point of absurdity. We acquired a right-of-way 3-5x wider than needed, to overbuild a road, so that we can accommodate a future we don't expect to happen anyways. It's a catch-22: if our forecasting was so great we wouldn't need all the expansion room because we could have right-sized it. But we didn't right-size it because we don't trust our own forecasts. But the whole project was justified based on those same forecasts which we accepted enough to spend billions on it.
Surely the lifecycle replacement of all those really long overpass bridges will occur before that extra right of way is ever needed ? Does replacing a 100m overpass bridge cost more than replacing a 30m bridge?
Looks about right. I could see the north section possibly moved north of Airdrie. Building a river crossing between Springbank and Bearspaw would be really expensive due to the depth of the river valley. The southern part of the city has already grown substantially since this image. Development south of Seton is already approaching the rim of the river valley. Warehouses are rapidly consuming land along the eastern strech of Stoney. How much growth is ahead for Calgary is anyone's guess.
DT Commuters from the massive Providence area (if it ever fully builds out), riders headed from the deep south to the MRU area, people trying to get from the west side of the city to Foothills/U of C without going through DT. Calgary can't even get the Green Line built, so this is a fantasy. Maintaining the ROW will likely prove valuable some day. Another crazy idea would be diverting the CPR line from somewhere around Cochrane into the SW ring road ROW and then heading east along highway 902.Who would ride a line that was that far out?
Absolutely no shot. Stoney at Beddington is about 80k.When the portion from there to Macleod is finished and opens it will a highly used road. Once complete to 16ave that portion of the ring road will be as busy as the other quadrants