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Do you support the proposal for the new arena?

  • Yes

    Votes: 103 67.3%
  • No

    Votes: 40 26.1%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 10 6.5%

  • Total voters
    153
It's funny how this complaint works both directions - if this project goes off the rails and people start looking for someone to blame "why didn't they have a hand-off and close out plan, that could have mitigated these issues," it's also the bureaucracy's fault.

If the bureaucracy is too loose on the rules "they are wasting our taxpayer dollars by failing to do enough diligence!" if they are too tight on the rules "they are wasting our taxpayer dollars by being too bureaucratic!". It's a no win scenario for some audiences.

Given the billion dollars of taxpayer invest proactive project auditing, and reporting of that auditing, shouldn't be surprising.
It's just a word salad of nothing....moreso shocked it's newsworthy. The city hired CAA, literally the north american leader in owner representation (the city) of sports/entertainment renovations and new builds. If they were failing cities, or not fullfilling agreements, or creating undo risks on municipalities...they wouldn't be in the game. The city of calgary has never built an arena in the modern age...CAA does probably 10+ of these a year. Are their processes wrong, or is our bureaucractic processes really fucking bad on major projects? The councilor comment is truly, truly dumb....that 3 years out the handover checklist isnt documented yet?..cmon

“We concluded that the city has established key governance structures and processes to support the execution and delivery of the Event Center Project,” said senior auditor Chinedu Odunukwe.
“However, further enhancements to risk management and quality management processes are required to best support the city’s oversight of this critical project.”
The report noted no documented risk response for risks reported in the risk register. The report said that it limits the City’s ability to respond to financial risks, schedule concerns, quality of work or reputational matters.
It also recorded no documented plan to monitor the project’s quality, which could lead to inconsistent project delivery, defects and delays, the report read. Finally, the third observation was the lack of a project closure plan, which would outline the handover of the arena to the project owner, including that deliverables agreed to on the project were completed.
Odunukwe said there were risk mitigation updates, but no framework for how the risks were assessed and ranked.
“The overall governance of the risk management process was lacking that, so in as much as there was risk register that reported periodically on how the risks were being mitigated, the structure itself was not well defined to enable a robust reporting process,” he said.
James McLaughlin, manager for the Event Centre Project Delivery, said risks were being managed on a “week-to-week, day-to-day basis.” He said what was missing was the documentation outlining what had been done.
The missing part is the paperwork, the documentation of how we were doing it,” he told the audit committee members.
“It was actively happening. I believe we were up to 35 or 38 risks at one point that we were actively tracking and managing. But what was missing was the front-end documentation of how we were actually doing that. We didn’t lay it out from an audit perspective, that somebody could walk in and read it.”
McLaughlin acknowledged that they were trying to move the project along as quickly as possible, however, the risk mitigation work was happening. Nothing was overlooked from a risk perspective, he said. They were working quickly to manage risks to prevent any delays.
“From a criteria perspective, anything that causes a delay of more than a day becomes a critical risk that’s managed immediately, because the time-cost of money on this project is very significant and will have a terrible impact on our delivery of scope if we enter any conditions with a significant delay,” he said.
Ward 2 Coun. Jennifer Wyness said she was happy to see the audit catch the lack of a closure plan. She said Calgary taxpayers often come back to the city if a project isn’t delivered as intended.
“How come we weren’t really thinking about handover checklists to make sure the taxpayer is not left holding the bag again?” Wyness asked.
McLaughlin said there’s a closeout framework in place, but it hasn’t been populated. That’s largely because the development manager, CAA Icon, has a methodology for the handover of projects to the owner.
 
It's just a word salad of nothing....moreso shocked it's newsworthy. The city hired CAA, literally the north american leader in owner representation (the city) of sports/entertainment renovations and new builds. If they were failing cities, or not fullfilling agreements, or creating undo risks on municipalities...they wouldn't be in the game. The city of calgary has never built an arena in the modern age...CAA does probably 10+ of these a year. Are their processes wrong, or is our bureaucractic processes really fucking bad on major projects? The councilor comment is truly, truly dumb....that 3 years out the handover checklist isnt documented yet?..cmon
I get you love the arena and the private sector actors involved can do no wrong, but I am comfortable with ongoing "non-newsworthy" diligence and reporting on anything that is of this scale - $1B of taxpayer funding is a lot to just trust on reputation. Everyone literally wouldn't be doing their jobs if they were asking questions and adding scrutiny here.
 
I get you love the arena and the private sector actors involved can do no wrong, but I am comfortable with ongoing "non-newsworthy" diligence and reporting on anything that is of this scale - $1B of taxpayer funding is a lot to just trust on reputation. Everyone literally wouldn't be doing their jobs if they were asking questions and adding scrutiny here.
I get you love big government, but my point is...when people talk about ballooning budgets, delays, and studying studies...it's these kinds of "reports" that lead to those kinds of outcomes. If CAA does this is a business, and they do it a lot, they would obviously establish a best practice of how most municipalities want reporting done. The fact they were caught of guard by this lol, what does that say about the city? It should read...

"We concluded that the city has established key governance structures and processes to support the execution and delivery of the Event Center Project. While notable that there is less documentation than other city of calgary projects, the delivery team led by CAA has shown detailed processes to tackle daily issues, along with a closeout framework that, while yet to be detailed, has delivered excellent results for municipalities and institutions."

Maybe, just maybe...as highlighted by the litany of city managed projects and crisis'....that the private sector can deliver a project better than the city of calgary
 
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Reporting is a pretty standard project management requirement. As the price goes up so does the reporting requirements. Should not be an issue for a large company to comply. Also, I am sure the handover checklist is already prepared and ready. Most companies should have processes and standard documents for each project that they tweak for the clients.
 
the private sector can deliver a project better than the city of calgary
The private sector can't even fund this project on their own.... so I think asking for standard standard project management documents and some modest reporting on the project is a reasonable thing for $1B in tax dollars.
 
I can't get passed vendors working for clients and not the other way around. There is just cause for large institutional clients to be a little skittish. A client such as Calgary presents opportunities for vendors that wouldn't exist for a MLSE funded development.
 
The private sector can't even fund this project on their own.... so I think asking for standard standard project management documents and some modest reporting on the project is a reasonable thing for $1B in tax dollars.
You're missing the point entirely. Cities, the government operation itself, often live in their own bubble, an echo chamber of how they do business. When you have large experienced companies, who do mega projects daily around the world with many municipalities, caught of guard with the amount of reporting required....to me its worth giving pause and saying, "are they wrong or are we wrong"? This is bigger than just the Event Centre, it's how friendly of a process climate is the city?
 
I think this is being made into something more than it is... Isn't it just a clashing of different project management? One expects this to be done by now, the other hasn't done it yet.

I would not project this one finding on to the whole of the city.

Do things cost too much because of oversized project management and studying, studies? Yes. Is the city the only one guilty of this practice? No.

Personally I'm really tired of the continuously failing public/private model. I'd like to see more things in-housed in the public sector, create a solid knowledgebase within. Probably not event centre construction but yeah.
 
Drillers on full work mode even during the blizzard 🥶 . Is there a proposal just west of here? Some some kind of zoning signage up.
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