Calgcouver
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Does this POS have a front parking lot? So urbane!
Agreed, 16th ave will never be a destination. The best it can hope for is private investment and some proper density. Given how aweful most of 16th avenue is currently, I'll celebrate any small step towards being something other than an eyesore.I'm going to go against the grain on this one. I'm happy it's being built, and I'm not upset about the design. Given the location and that 16th is a write off when it comes to pedestrian ambiance, I couldn't care less how the street treatment is.It would be nice to see 16th ave turned into a decent pedestrian/cyclist/retail corridor, but it's never going to happen.
a) the city killed that opportunity when they added the extra lanes a few years back.
b) large trucks still use 16th ave as a truck route. I know this because I watch them come in from the city limits and I follow them down 16th ave on my way to work.
c) there are too many stretches of 16th ave that are disjointed or have sound walls, or something else holding it back (school yards, etc..)
I'm happy to see something, make that anything being developed that improves what's there now.
It is the TCH, which is why it's the way it is. But should it remain the TCH? With the SW & W portion of the Ring Road being built within the next couple of years, it completes a segment that could ultimately be part of the new route of the TCH if the government were to follow through in rerouting it. Highway 22X from east of the city could connect with the current TCH around the Gleichen area, and the new route would run from there, and reconnect with the current route at the TCH/Stoney Trail NW interchange.Why does everything have to be pedestrian friendly? We all know 16th ave is the Trans Canada Highway don’t we? Both ends of it connect to freeways. While it would be nice to have some of the parking lots filled In along the way. I’m Happy the road was rebuilt from the 4 lane dump it used to be to the nice flowing road it is now (a few to many lights though). Through time it will be built up along it. There are many great communities that butt up to it. That’ll help attract development.
Why does everything have to be pedestrian friendly? We all know 16th ave is the Trans Canada Highway don’t we? Both ends of it connect to freeways. While it would be nice to have some of the parking lots filled In along the way. I’m Happy the road was rebuilt from the 4 lane dump it used to be to the nice flowing road it is now (a few to many lights though). Through time it will be built up along it. There are many great communities that butt up to it. That’ll help attract development.
The whole 16 Avenue saga is now a few decades in the making. I can't find the original audit that was formerly published online, but here's an article that skims the surface of some of the mistakes, from way back in 2011 https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/city-hall-learns-from-16th-ave-expansion-1.674583My problem is with the City of Calgary on this one. They create Main Streets policy to create buildings that have street-oriented commercial uses at-grade. But it seems with this application they have little to no intention to create anything resembling Main Street-style development. Shows a complete lack of vision on the part of the City regarding treating 16 Ave North as a Main Street, which they obviously are fine with completely auto-oriented applications coming in and continuing to dominate the streetscape, and they are showing no intention of transitioning it away from the mess of a street that it is.
My problem is with the City of Calgary on this one. They create Main Streets policy to create buildings that have street-oriented commercial uses at-grade. But it seems with this application they have little to no intention to create anything resembling Main Street-style development. Shows a complete lack of vision on the part of the City regarding treating 16 Ave North as a Main Street, which they obviously are fine with completely auto-oriented applications coming in and continuing to dominate the streetscape, and they are showing no intention of transitioning it away from the mess of a street that it is.
I just don't see any reason why this shouldn't look and feel like 'The Rise' on Cambie Street in Vancouver. Similar conditions, built on a busy and wide roadway connection to a bridge, but it houses a Home Depot, Save on Foods, Winners/Homesense and has finer-grained CRU's for part of the main floor and has residential above. It is the exact type of development that would be appropriate for this location on 16 Ave.
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My problem is with the City of Calgary on this one. They create Main Streets policy to create buildings that have street-oriented commercial uses at-grade. But it seems with this application they have little to no intention to create anything resembling Main Street-style development. Shows a complete lack of vision on the part of the City regarding treating 16 Ave North as a Main Street, which they obviously are fine with completely auto-oriented applications coming in and continuing to dominate the streetscape, and they are showing no intention of transitioning it away from the mess of a street that it is.
I just don't see any reason why this shouldn't look and feel like 'The Rise' on Cambie Street in Vancouver. Similar conditions, built on a busy and wide roadway connection to a bridge, but it houses a Home Depot, Save on Foods, Winners/Homesense and has finer-grained CRU's for part of the main floor and has residential above. It is the exact type of development that would be appropriate for this location on 16 Ave.
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Why yes I have been to many other cities in the world. Calgary unlike many other cities it’s size or larger has one unique feature... that is it’s not limited to expansion (area wise) as a city. You can’t compare it Greater Vancouver because they can’t expand because of Oceans, rivers, mountains, borders agriculture land reserves and the General lack of developable land. So they must increase density. They have no other choice. Toronto has similar problems. They have no more greenfield developments allowed. So they must increase density.Exactly. People here are just so used to the shittiest suburban developments possible that as soon as one involves a bit of density, it makes it acceptable despite its offensive design. This is the opposite of anything urban, and we need to be planning for the future, not the past. It’s not a difficult concept to grasp. Have any of you (who think this project is somehow acceptable) been to any other city anywhere, outside of their downtown cores? Because good development is allowed to exist outside of downtown cores. Just FYI.