outoftheice
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Next rail(ish) line will be the airport link. It won't be LRVs but expect some sort of small, automated vehicle running along its own track/rail. My guess is that will be something for the early 2030s.
Green Line LRT | ?m | ?s | Calgary Transit
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whatchyyc
Active Member
standard skytrain would be great... no need to reinvent the wheel
UrbanWarrior
Senior Member
Yes I agree, but yeah the frustration is warranted.
I could see the Purple Line gaining traction in the late 2030s. Since it’s already half built (17 Ave SE), it would be super easy, and would interline well and easily with the Green Line at Inglewood. It will take til the late 2030s just to finish the Green Line north and south anyways.
YYCguy
Active Member
Looks like the lawsuit has been resolved in favour of Remington, but what lands do they actually still own there and is the development dead or can some form go ahead on the lands they still own?
calgaryherald.com
Author of the article:
Kevin Martin
Publishing date:
Oct 27, 2022
Calgary-based Remington Development Corp. is entitled to $163.7 million in damages over a contract breach that prevented it from constructing Rail Town north of the Stampede grounds, a judge has ruled.
In a 200-page decision released Thursday, Court of King’s Bench Justice Alice Woolley said Canadian Pacific Railway breached its contract with Remington and the province induced that breach…..
Judge orders $163 million in damages to developer that planned to build 'Rail Town' on CPR lands
CPR had agreed to sell three parcels of land to Remington in November 2002, bordering the rail line between 9 and 10 Ave. S.E.
calgaryherald.com
Judge orders $163 million in damages to developer that planned to build 'Rail Town' on CPR lands
CPR had agreed to sell three parcels of land to Remington in November 2002, bordering the rail line between 9 and 10 Ave. S.EAuthor of the article:
Kevin Martin
Publishing date:
Oct 27, 2022
Calgary-based Remington Development Corp. is entitled to $163.7 million in damages over a contract breach that prevented it from constructing Rail Town north of the Stampede grounds, a judge has ruled.
In a 200-page decision released Thursday, Court of King’s Bench Justice Alice Woolley said Canadian Pacific Railway breached its contract with Remington and the province induced that breach…..
CalgaryTiger
Senior Member
EDIT: They're (CP) appealing.Looks like the lawsuit has been resolved in favour of Remington, but what lands do they actually still own there and is the development dead or can some form go ahead on the lands they still own?
Judge orders $163 million in damages to developer that planned to build 'Rail Town' on CPR lands
CPR had agreed to sell three parcels of land to Remington in November 2002, bordering the rail line between 9 and 10 Ave. S.E.
Judge orders $163 million in damages to developer that planned to build 'Rail Town' on CPR lands
CPR had agreed to sell three parcels of land to Remington in November 2002, bordering the rail line between 9 and 10 Ave. S.E
Author of the article:
Kevin Martin
Publishing date:
Oct 27, 2022
Calgary-based Remington Development Corp. is entitled to $163.7 million in damages over a contract breach that prevented it from constructing Rail Town north of the Stampede grounds, a judge has ruled.
In a 200-page decision released Thursday, Court of King’s Bench Justice Alice Woolley said Canadian Pacific Railway breached its contract with Remington and the province induced that breach…..
Wow very interesting, I always blamed Remington and the economy for this flaming out.
From the article:
“Unbeknownst to Remington, however, by early fall 2006, the province had approached CPR about purchasing the 10th Ave. Lands,” she wrote.
“The province sought the 10th Ave. Lands … as part of its ongoing long-term effort to acquire lands for the potential construction of a high-speed rail link between Edmonton and Calgary.”
The province offered CPR more money than Remington did in 2002 and in doing so induced the breach of contract, Woolley ruled.
The province was just out there outbidding developers for a pie in the sky high-speed rail line.
Also in the article:
had retained IBI (Group) as a consultant for its development project in the three parcels,” the judge said.
“IBI created concept plans for Rail Town, a mixed-use development with high-density commercial and residential buildings across the three parcels, integrated green space, and connection between the 9th Ave. Lands and the 10th Ave. Lands by way of two plus 30 bridges over the CPR main line.”
I never knew they owned property on both sides of the tracks, I always thought it was only south of the tracks.
Who owns this property now, the province I assume? Does Remington own any of the land that is now the Jeff Davison parking lot?
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Roaring Flames
Senior Member
The land Remington does own is the parking lot and presumably the lands to the north of the CP Tracks. The land the article is referring to is the land north of the parking lot on the south side of the CP tracks
outoftheice
Active Member
This lawsuit is one of the main reasons the alignment of Green Line changed from the originally proposed 10th Ave/12th Ave curved alignment. The lawsuit was adding way too much project uncertainty. Of course everyone assumed at the time that construction would be underway well before the lawsuit was resolved so this is a bit of an ironic twist.
I took a ride on the Ottawa LRT this week, and it made think of the Green Line, and comparisons between our system and theirs.
- The underground stations
Ottawa's underground stations are nice and it does give a cool big city vibe, but in some ways kind of a hassle to use, especially if you're not going long distance. The time and effort it takes to walk down and through multiple stairways and hallways to get to the platform is quite onerous when you're used to simply walking over to a platform and jumping on a train. Also, u/g feels kind of disconnected from the city as you don't see anything when travelling.
The nice thing about u/g stations is they are warm in the winter. Also you can't get in without a ticket, and this appears to keep the homeless or criminal elements away.
- Free fare zone.
Ottawa's system doesn't have one, and I realized I've taken ours for granted all of these years.
- LRT Cars
The cars they are using feel more spacious. A downside of that, is that the floor levels vary within each car. I've never been a fan of that.
- Stations
The non u/g stations look and feel similar to the newer stations used in Calgary. U/G stations are different of course, and I like the way Ottawa has lit their stations brightly, including lighting the tunnel portion.
- The underground stations
Ottawa's underground stations are nice and it does give a cool big city vibe, but in some ways kind of a hassle to use, especially if you're not going long distance. The time and effort it takes to walk down and through multiple stairways and hallways to get to the platform is quite onerous when you're used to simply walking over to a platform and jumping on a train. Also, u/g feels kind of disconnected from the city as you don't see anything when travelling.
The nice thing about u/g stations is they are warm in the winter. Also you can't get in without a ticket, and this appears to keep the homeless or criminal elements away.
- Free fare zone.
Ottawa's system doesn't have one, and I realized I've taken ours for granted all of these years.
- LRT Cars
The cars they are using feel more spacious. A downside of that, is that the floor levels vary within each car. I've never been a fan of that.
- Stations
The non u/g stations look and feel similar to the newer stations used in Calgary. U/G stations are different of course, and I like the way Ottawa has lit their stations brightly, including lighting the tunnel portion.
Roaring Flames
Senior Member
I wonder how profitable small form factor retail units like the ones at New Horizon Mall would be at underground stations?
darwink
Senior Member
Negative for Calgary Transit. In the last year in the 90s, total lease and tax revenue from the private operator to Calgary Transit was ~$130,000 for 11 koisks. IIRC, the city tried to run them itself, lost money, and they were closed for good, and renovated away. A big issue was the expense to maintain washrooms/other utilities needed for someone to be there all day. That isn't even thinking about the cost to build the spaces in the first place!
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whatchyyc
Active Member
just throw in some vending machines in the downtown stations I don't think there's a real need for an entire booth
outoftheice
Active Member
Be curious to see if Danielle Smith clarifies her comments now that this article has been published.
calgaryherald.com
Then again this tweet by Rachel Notley reminded me not to hold my breath...
Smith criticized for raising concerns about UCP-approved Green Line tunnel
Premier Danielle Smith said the initial south phase is 'absolutely needed' but there could be further discussion about future phases
calgaryherald.com
Then again this tweet by Rachel Notley reminded me not to hold my breath...
zagox
Active Member
Be curious to see if Danielle Smith clarifies her comments now that this article has been published.
Smith criticized for raising concerns about UCP-approved Green Line tunnel
Premier Danielle Smith said the initial south phase is 'absolutely needed' but there could be further discussion about future phases
Then again this tweet by Rachel Notley reminded me not to hold my breath...
Seems so obvious for Smith to say, "you know, we need the Green Line to go somewhere" and then go and promise provincial funding for 16th Ave to North Pointe plus the airport connector (which is not that important from a transit point of view but should play well with middle/upper income voters that she needs to win over). Mock up a couple of cool maps and have her Calgary ministers hype it up for the next few months.
That's what Doug Ford would do in her shoes ... but she seems to have no electoral sensibilities whatsoever.
No one listening to her speak would come to the conclusion that she is down 10 points in the polls and is facing a general election in 6 months.
darwink
Senior Member
Gotta remember the 2020 context - the city was wanting to let the contract for the SE to the Elbow River on its own.
It is highly likely that this would have turned out incredibly poorly if it had come to pass.
It is highly likely that this would have turned out incredibly poorly if it had come to pass.
ahuch
Active Member
Is cost the only consideration though? My experience in this area is really only travelling outside of North America, but my favorite transit systems all have businesses and washrooms integrated into the transit hubs. Until we start to look at more of this, we're admitting that we really only care about cars.
Disclaimer: I don't actually use Calgary Transit in my daily life so I'm not really the target market anyways.