CBBarnett
Senior Member
Ooofff, not sure I am happy about this. Might need to sleep on it lol.
The added tunnel length is especially weird in that they moved the 16 Ave N station to surface. Seems like a big mistake to me, though I do appreciate the extended underground length in the Beltline. I hope they can figure out to do both.
I am surprised I like the changes as much as I do, I was getting negative - probably due to the Greenline's powerful opponents having unfettered media for months while the options were worked out.
Quick thoughts:
- 11th Ave works as well as 12th, benefit in leaving a whole block between the new arena to drive traffic through a retail zone.
- Extra underground - but shallow - future-proofs Victoria Park for a high density, transit-oriented neighbourhood in future decades.
- Shallower LRT is far better to access and is the right call. The original plan had wild 7 storey deep platforms. That was my big red flag that the team got off-track as it's a crazy expensive solution to use a bored deep tunnel to avoid impacts in a city with as little traffic and pedestrian retail along the route as Calgary.
- River pathway and Prince's Island interaction are the biggest issues with the new plan, but if we put some smart designers on it and do it right I can live with it.
- Centre Street at grade is perfectly fine - again the problem is a political one not technical. The cheapest option was always to give dedicated surface right-of-way from drivers to transit WHILE not scope-creeping a transit project with road expansion.
- If Centre is local access, transit-only south of 16th we have a great corridor. If the Roads department and vocal car-aficionados demand road expansion to keep car capacity (at the expense of transit, walkability and redevelopment) we missed the mark on that stretch.
- Without more detail, I would guess the 16th Ave station might actually be like 14th Ave, to allow for an underpass at 16th Ave in a future phase.
My concern on your first point is that if they don't cross the river now, they may never. It's a bit of a political struggle - and I am suspicious that they left the 2nd Ave to 16th Ave N stretch on and added the MAX upgrade to Centre's BRTs as a bargaining chip if they get into another round of scope-creep/budget cut. Would be fairly easy to cut the LRT portion and keep the MAX to your points (its a lot of pain and political fight for limited short-term benefit, although a long-term positive).I agree with mostly everything you said. I think for now the terminus should be the Eau Claire station at 2nd Ave. Everything north of that can be hashed out at a later time.
I used to live the Crescent Heights, and unfortunately, I think the alignment of Centre street will result in a big political battle. I'd be happy if Centre is transit-only south of 16th or auto access is restricted...the city could add a station at 9th ave. However, I think the local businesses along Centre and the roads department would go bananas over the proposal. Also, what would be done with the existing centre street bridge? 4 lanes are going to be severely under utilized.
One last thing...I think the 16th ave crossing needs to be grade separated.
As for underutilized infrastructure - having way more road capacity than required hasn't stopped us before - many of the one-ways and several underpasses into the core are all overbuilt based on the total lanes in < total lanes out and actual traffic demand from vehicles. 4th Street SW is a prime example where 4 lane NB capacity can't possibly be filled based on input roads.
I agree 16th will likely be grade-separated in future phases.