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[CalgaryTiger]

$20 billion dollar full line estimate

I think this is true... Seton to 160th would definitely cost that and should be built.

As a lawyer he should be embarrassed to propose that.

I thought it wasn't a great look either. You can stand up for Calgary and not go there. Maybe this eventually gets there but Humpty Dumpty can still be put back together.

 

[O-tac]

Smith’s commentary about Calgarians figuring out their priorities following that estimate made it sound like she’s undermining the entire thing by throwing out that massive number to scare people into saying “Fuck it!”.

That said, I’m starting to give up hope for this happening until after the next provincial election.

 

[darwink]

Maybe this eventually gets there but Humpty Dumpty can still be put back together.

Nah. There is zero chance of a lawsuit succeeding. It is just posturing and anyone saying it is stupid is 'explaining and losing'.

 

[Gazyyc]

Smith’s commentary about Calgarians figuring out their priorities following that estimate made it sound like she’s undermining the entire thing by throwing out that massive number to scare people into saying “Fuck it!”.

That said, I’m starting to give up hope for this happening until after the next provincial election.

That's exactly why the number suddenly appeared all of a sudden. They got called on their report and the glaring omissions and can't defend it or have a discussion to find middle ground so off to scare tactics.
It's either A) she's referencing a full north+south build out, which is not what's up for discussion as even outlined by her Transport Minister, Mr DT to Seton.
Or B) She actually believes DT to the south will cost $20 billion.
Either way, it's disingenuous to to the conversation and is meant as a distraction.

 

[O-tac]

Every time she opens her big fat mouth it’s a distraction and unhelpful to finding solutions or common ground. Everything is partisan politiking. Not surprising since she worships Trump and Desantis. I’m curious how strained that love affair gets with tariffs on the way and Ottawa likely soon to have a CPC leader.

 

[Dārayavauš]

You're saying it isn't fair to find faults in an evaluation of the elevated option. Because you're onboard with it.

Im just on board with getting it build and not on the street. Pretty basic.

Elevated is perfectly fine, other cities manage to do it and it’s great. Calgary isn’t special, no need to reinvent the wheel or choose subway if it’s far too expensive. The most track for your dollar is what I support.

 

[Golfing guy]

Im just on board with getting it build and not on the street. Pretty basic.

Elevated is perfectly fine, other cities manage to do it and it’s great. Calgary isn’t special, no need to reinvent the wheel or choose subway if it’s far too expensive. The most track for your dollar is what I support.

Elevated out of downtown is fine. Through the core is very rare. Only city I can remember having it right downtown is Miami and it’s not ideal there.

 

[Albertasaurus]

Elevated out of downtown is fine. Through the core is very rare. Only city I can remember having it right downtown is Miami and it’s not ideal there.

I've been on a few other metro systems that are above grade through a city core. Dubai, Bangkok, and Chicago's EL. Detroit's little "people mover" is elevated too. They all seemed to work OK.

At this point, Job 1 should be for the Province and City to work together for once and find a way to avoid pissing away the massive amount of money that has already been blown on this thing.

 

[Surrealplaces]

I've been on a few other metro systems that are above grade through a city core. Dubai, Bangkok, and Chicago's EL. Detroit's little "people mover" is elevated too. They all seemed to work OK.

At this point, Job 1 should be for the Province and City to work together for once and find a way to avoid pissing away the massive amount of money that has already been blown on this thing.

The elevated systems I've been on (Chicago, KL, Vancouver, Miami, sections of Philadelphia, London, NY and Paris) are generally a nice experience as a rider. Nicer than underground, which is not a really a nice experience IMO.

The tradeoff of course is street vibrancy, and the street level vibrancy would take a hit compared to underground, but I guess that's part of the trade off. At least the sections where the elevated would go aren't vibrant at the moment, so it's not a huge loss.

 

[Golfing guy]

Chicago is elevated outside the true core. The Loop is underground. The point I was making is a very high percentage of mass transit through major cities are underground. Just because an incompetent partner decides late in the game to change their mind doesn’t make it the right decision. City spent years studying all choices. Province hires a 3rd party too rough out a route with very little details, technicalities or dollar figures and takes zero risk in any of it. And the people of Calgary are supposed to just jump at it.
Anyways this conversation should be over at the Greenline thread

 

[Geo_Jedi]

All the elevated systems I've been on (Chicago, KL, Vancouver, Miami, Parts of London, NY and Paris) are generally a nice experience as a rider. Nice than underground, which is not a really a nice experience IMO.

The street level vibrancy would take a hit compared to underground, but I guess it would be part of the trade off. At least the sections where the elevated would go aren't vibrant at the moment, so it's not a huge loss.

In my own experience I have found when I have been in cities with the elevated lines, as I pass overhead (or at grade for that matter) I see businesses that grab my attention from the train that I then in turn seek out and ultimately become a customer of. Which I can't say has ever been the experience in a subway or underground system.

 

[Golfing guy]

The elevated systems I've been on (Chicago, KL, Vancouver, Miami, sections of Philadelphia, London, NY and Paris) are generally a nice experience as a rider. Nicer than underground, which is not a really a nice experience IMO.

The tradeoff of course is street vibrancy, and the street level vibrancy would take a hit compared to underground, but I guess that's part of the trade off. At least the sections where the elevated would go aren't vibrant at the moment, so it's not a huge loss.

Vancouver, London aren’t elevated thru downtown (core). Elevated is fine with me outside city core. Reason cities have started removing freeway structure through city centres as well (Seattle, Boston, NYC etc). They make once bright corridors dark and lifeless

 

[Surrealplaces]

Chicago is elevated outside the true core. The Loop is underground. The point I was making is a very high percentage of mass transit through major cities are underground. Just because an incompetent partner decides late in the game to change their mind doesn’t make it the right decision. City spent years studying all choices. Province hires a 3rd party too rough out a route with very little details, technicalities or dollar figures and takes zero risk in any of it. And the people of Calgary are supposed to just jump at it.
Anyways this conversation should be over at the Greenline thread

Are you sure about Chicago? There are sections in the loop that are elevated. Anyhow it doesn't matter, other aforementioned cities like NY, Paris, etc.. are underground in the core and elevated outside of the core if that's what you meant.

I agree with you on the principal that we shouldn't take a decision because an incompetent partner changes their mind at the last minute, but I don't know that elevated is the wrong decision all things are considered, and maybe was the right one from the beginning? Aside from cost, there are plusses to having it elevated. I'm also not against having it underground, all things equal cost-wise that's the path I would pick. In the end this is just a system to transport people.

 

[Dārayavauš]

Elevated out of downtown is fine. Through the core is very rare. Only city I can remember having it right downtown is Miami and it’s not ideal there.

I dunno it works fine in Tokyo, Taipei, Bangkok etc.

Plus Chicago, and we’d have a much more modern and quiet system.

 

[Dārayavauš]

Chicago is elevated outside the true core. The Loop is underground. The point I was making is a very high percentage of mass transit through major cities are underground. Just because an incompetent partner decides late in the game to change their mind doesn’t make it the right decision. City spent years studying all choices. Province hires a 3rd party too rough out a route with very little details, technicalities or dollar figures and takes zero risk in any of it. And the people of Calgary are supposed to just jump at it.
Anyways this conversation should be over at the Greenline thread

Chicago is elevated downtown. It was nice living there. Sure it’s rickety and old, but that’s not a problem Calgary will face

Calgary has too many negative Nancies. Just support mass rapid transit cmon. It’ll invigorate 10th Ave (just ignore naysayers who can’t their dream).