thecivilengineer
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Yeah so its AECOM
Green Line LRT | ?m | ?s | Calgary Transit
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lemongrab
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Perhaps a very cheap option:
move underpass from 6 St SE to 5 St SE and build it big enough for both the train and vehicle lanes. Cars come up for 9th Ave; train comes up on the north side and terminates on the 400 block until they figure out actual integration with 7th. Perhaps easiest done by running diagonally across the surface lot there (pretty much the only block in EV without a DP right now...I wonder who owns it? CMLC?)
move underpass from 6 St SE to 5 St SE and build it big enough for both the train and vehicle lanes. Cars come up for 9th Ave; train comes up on the north side and terminates on the 400 block until they figure out actual integration with 7th. Perhaps easiest done by running diagonally across the surface lot there (pretty much the only block in EV without a DP right now...I wonder who owns it? CMLC?)
whatchyyc
Active Member
Corrected to AECOM:
ahuch
Active Member
So they're using one of the companies from the runner up bid?
thecivilengineer
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no i think City link partners are the companies who were supposed to work on NC LRT
O-tac
Active Member
So is AECOM going to give a best practice or design recommendation based on data and real world integration, or are they simply drawing the line exactly as dictated by Smith?
ahuch
Active Member
It's harder than you think to transpose crayon to technical drawings.
darwink
Senior Member
I'd imagine it will be reanalyszing the downtown access studies from the past, with the elevated Gray group alignment considered.
This is good as it should flag and warn about capacity issues on 7th if more demand, whether by transfers or shared use, are placed on 7th from City Hall.
This is good as it should flag and warn about capacity issues on 7th if more demand, whether by transfers or shared use, are placed on 7th from City Hall.
CalgaryTiger
Senior Member
My first thought yesterday was, is the city not overreacting a little bit? But then I though about it and I guess the Province did wake up from a nap and had a change of heart, and then did step on the City's toes by pulling funding and hiring the engineering firm they didn't hire overnight.
Second thought was, is there no pause button? Maybe there isn't.
What are the Green Line Board and other people working on the Green Line supposed to do until January. I mean, if you're the winning bidder what are you supposed to do sit around and wait for your competitor to tell you what to do?
I still don't have any idea what AECOM's scope of work is? A "new alignment" is so vague. C'mon MacVicar ask some follow ups or call the premier or minister's staff.
There was decent work done from Eau Claire to Shepard. Maybe AECOM is doing high level on Shepard to Seton and Grand Central Shitstorm to Downtown? It is not hard for the province to give us, the public, an idea of what is actually on the table here.
I'm really tired of the brainstorming of what could change leaking out throughout little individual briefings. Fuck off or tell us what you hired AECOM to do, through a non-competitive contract btw. Really all AECOM will be able to give them is napkin math so good luck to the province actually building anything for the price they give you.
Second thought was, is there no pause button? Maybe there isn't.
What are the Green Line Board and other people working on the Green Line supposed to do until January. I mean, if you're the winning bidder what are you supposed to do sit around and wait for your competitor to tell you what to do?
I still don't have any idea what AECOM's scope of work is? A "new alignment" is so vague. C'mon MacVicar ask some follow ups or call the premier or minister's staff.
There was decent work done from Eau Claire to Shepard. Maybe AECOM is doing high level on Shepard to Seton and Grand Central Shitstorm to Downtown? It is not hard for the province to give us, the public, an idea of what is actually on the table here.
I'm really tired of the brainstorming of what could change leaking out throughout little individual briefings. Fuck off or tell us what you hired AECOM to do, through a non-competitive contract btw. Really all AECOM will be able to give them is napkin math so good luck to the province actually building anything for the price they give you.
O-tac
Active Member
I predicted Smith would do this from the start. So tired of being ruled by an impulsive, Dunning Krueger, Facebook meme believing dumbass. How can AECOM even provide a proper report in 2 months when it took YEARS to get to where we are now?
Curious how it will be presented if it doesn’t fully confirm Smith and Dreeshat’s belief that 7th ave can actually handle more traffic.
Curious how it will be presented if it doesn’t fully confirm Smith and Dreeshat’s belief that 7th ave can actually handle more traffic.
lemongrab
Active Member
I'm working through the council meeting and the answer on the 'pause' button didn't seem very well justified, but I think it'll be explained more later on.
I suspect the AECOM scope is something like 'figure out Elbow River to 7th Ave'. I think they mostly just want a link to their Grand Central Station.
I can imagine a crappy, but not totally insane plan that does this cheaply while retaining LF cars and connecting to the North. I'll try to draw it.
EtoV
Active Member
What was the bidding/selection process for AECOM?
Or does Smith just have a friend there...
Or does Smith just have a friend there...
trtcttc
Active Member
There's definitely a "pause" button but that will just add more costs that the city has to foot. And I think successive councils have just had it with the province. They paused for Kenney to do his review, and now paused again for the province to propose a new alignment at the 11th hour, when the plans have been public for YEARS. Instead of paying more for more uncertainty, I think council and many Calgarians are just done with throwing money at it only to be undercut by the province at the last minute. There's definitely some walkback by the province now that they realize the city is done with this and as unpopular as Gondek is, people will blame the province. As a right leaning person, this is just amateur governing and extremely disappointing.
Minister says no help coming for Calgary Green Line wind down - LiveWire Calgary
In a game of political brinksmanship, the Government of Alberta has said Calgary is on its own to cover wind-down costs for the now-dead Green Line project. The day after Calgary voted to begin the end of the current Green Line alignment, Alberta’s Minister of Transportation and Economic...
livewirecalgary.com
ahuch
Active Member
In the presentation to council it was proposed as approximately a million dollars a day with zero certainty of anything. So it'd be burning another 50-100 million at a minimum.There's definitely a "pause" button but that will just add more costs that the city has to foot. And I think successive councils have just had it with the province. They paused for Kenney to do his review, and now paused again for the province to propose a new alignment at the 11th hour, when the plans have been public for YEARS. Instead of paying more for more uncertainty, I think council and many Calgarians are just done with throwing money at it only to be undercut by the province at the last minute. There's definitely some walkback by the province now that they realize the city is done with this and as unpopular as Gondek is, people will blame the province. As a right leaning person, this is just amateur governing and extremely disappointing.
Minister says no help coming for Calgary Green Line wind down - LiveWire Calgary
In a game of political brinksmanship, the Government of Alberta has said Calgary is on its own to cover wind-down costs for the now-dead Green Line project. The day after Calgary voted to begin the end of the current Green Line alignment, Alberta’s Minister of Transportation and Economic...
darwink
Senior Member
Use the existing reports as the basis for a new one. The alignment reports stretch from 2004 to today. Elevated is also super easy to cost compared to underground.
There were key findings along the way that narrowed the scope of options. It doesn't take much more than internalizing the concepts of transit geometry in Human Transport to exclude further interlining, or forcing transfers close but not close enough to your destination.
One of the benefits of making the green line faster was shifting current and future red line demand to the green line to push off the Red Line tunnel to 50 years from now. This is all public.
Think of this as a lit review, and then a brief consultants report.