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Calgary Flames Official Thread

trtcttc said:
One of the worse goaltender this year gave up 2 goals on 40 shots. They supposedly outshot the Blues, but seeing parts of the game, 35 of them were not scoring chances
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That seems to be the story in so many games. This was what I saw against the Wild as well. Lots of shots from the Flames, and they outshot the wild by a large margin, but nothing really very dangerous. The Wild had the better scoring chances.
 
Even the last game against the Sharks, they had 6 shots halfway through the third. They're bad outside of one line, but the Flames had a high shot count but not that many chances. We take a lot of point shots, or have a high forward come up between the D. Some other teams do this but usually you need skill guys for this to work as it opens options for your skilled forwards. On the Flames more often than not, the high guy just takes a long shot into a crowd and cross their fingers. Not to mention the amount of shots on the rush from far out. They need to rework their system, or maybe not if the goal is Gavin.
 
Mountain Man said:
Last year was a strange one. We needed to completely tank to keep out 1st round pick, and I think Montreal would have received our first from this year instead? Much rather have picks in this coming draft.
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They would have received the 1st rd pick we got in the last draft from Florida (32nd overall, we drafted Cullen Potter with that pick).

It probably would have been much better for our long term prospects to bite the bullet and ship out players like Andersson last year rather than hang on to hope that we could squeak into a wildcard spot. My biggest criticism of Craig Conroy is that he has been too optimistic and overly mindful of player. That may be good in moderation, but to build a championship caliber team you also need to be cutthroat and take risks like Florida or Vegas.
 
jhappy77 said:
They would have received the 1st rd pick we got in the last draft from Florida (32nd overall, we drafted Cullen Potter with that pick).

It probably would have been much better for our long term prospects to bite the bullet and ship out players like Andersson last year rather than hang on to hope that we could squeak into a wildcard spot. My biggest criticism of Craig Conroy is that he has been too optimistic and overly mindful of player. That may be good in moderation, but to build a championship caliber team you also need to be cutthroat and take risks like Florida or Vegas.
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To be fair, they shipped out quite a few guys, and always having a fire sale sign up is bad for value, just look at Buffalo, the development team for half the NHL. The two player of value really left is Andersson and Kadri. I think part of Conroy's player focus is making Calgary attractive again. With Gaudreau and Tkachuk leaving a top Western team, and lots of guys wanted out, it was a bad situation. I thought their contracts have been decent, especially given the ones signed recently, where everyone that's scored a few goals is getting 7/8/9.
 
trtcttc said:
Even the last game against the Sharks, they had 6 shots halfway through the third. They're bad outside of one line, but the Flames had a high shot count but not that many chances. We take a lot of point shots, or have a high forward come up between the D. Some other teams do this but usually you need skill guys for this to work as it opens options for your skilled forwards. On the Flames more often than not, the high guy just takes a long shot into a crowd and cross their fingers. Not to mention the amount of shots on the rush from far out. They need to rework their system, or maybe not if the goal is Gavin.
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So many of those low percentage shots. Let's put it this way, they aren't the type of shots that come from McDavid or Draisaitl.
 
jhappy77 said:
They would have received the 1st rd pick we got in the last draft from Florida (32nd overall, we drafted Cullen Potter with that pick).

It probably would have been much better for our long term prospects to bite the bullet and ship out players like Andersson last year rather than hang on to hope that we could squeak into a wildcard spot. My biggest criticism of Craig Conroy is that he has been too optimistic and overly mindful of player. That may be good in moderation, but to build a championship caliber team you also need to be cutthroat and take risks like Florida or Vegas.
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Thanks for the clarification, thought that might also be the case.

When it comes to Andersson, I do wonder how much ownership was in the way of any trades last year. They definitely seem to meddle quite a lot, and it's quite frustrating. As I have said before though, there definitely is value to keeping some veterans around to mentor the young guys. Not sure how much Andersson is a mentor, but Kadri for sure is and I think players will be better for having him around. Would be nice to get another first round pick in the coming draft though...
 
One thing no one talks about with keeping veterans around a 32nd place team is being 32nd isn't easy for the veterans, especially guys who have won. It has to be the right kind of veteran and saying this I don't see anything like this with the ones the flames have, but there is nothing worse than a person at work that is older and is dragging down the culture by talking about the good old days.

My biggest fear in all this is Murray's meddling. I'm wondering if that's what is holding up a Conroy extension. In my opinion it is weird to keep giving contract extensions to coaches beyond that of the GMs. Happened with Sutter and Treliving and it has happened again. Brad ended up walking away, I think because of ownership and Conroy might (1-10% change) do the same. To bring it back to office dynamics, nothing, in my experience, makes someone want out more than a boss they cannot work with.
 
Yeah fair point. Kadri is the biggest trade piece and it seems all quiet from him. He's only 3 years removed from a championship but somehow seems content in his role.
 
It's too bad about Honzek, thought he was playing well. Don't know what he was thinking skating towards Backlund while Back was trying to get into the zone, really dumb move by Honzo. Definitely hope Zary gets moved up the lineup, not sure why he was on the 4th line.
 
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