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I'm just going to pretend "Pet Shop", "Vintage". "Bakery", "Coffee", "Gym" in the rendering will be replaced with "Pub", "Sports Cards", "Strip Club", "Donair Shop", "Forex". In 5 years when this thing is done it will really liven up the neighbourhood.
 
I'm just going to pretend "Pet Shop", "Vintage". "Bakery", "Coffee", "Gym" in the rendering will be replaced with "Pub", "Sports Cards", "Strip Club", "Donair Shop", "Forex". In 5 years when this thing is done it will really liven up the neighbourhood.
Would honestly love a good Donair shop in marda loop
 
Would honestly love a good Donair shop in marda loop
Marda Loop could use more “normal” retail. Cool wine bars are awesome and we should always have more of them, but we also need a bit more competition on the more day-to-day end of things. Donairs, sandwiches, convenience stores, bookstore, a normal pub etc.

Retail could use more competition in Marda too - a few sub-par places truck along because they are hyper convenient supported by high local foot traffic, but their quality isn’t quite there, it doesn’t need to be if there’s no other options.

All this new retail will help with this. I’m still amazed watching how fast the area has transformed into dual corridors of walkable retail, at sufficient local population density to actually support it. We are watching a new urban hub be born in real time!
 
Would honestly love a good Donair shop in marda loop
It's been a huge hole in the neighbourhood in the 10 years I've lived here. And no I wouldn't get any donair from CPU.

Marda Loop could use more “normal” retail. Cool wine bars are awesome and we should always have more of them, but we also need a bit more competition on the more day-to-day end of things. Donairs, sandwiches, convenience stores, bookstore, a normal pub etc.

Retail could use more competition in Marda too - a few sub-par places truck along because they are hyper convenient supported by high local foot traffic, but their quality isn’t quite there, it doesn’t need to be if there’s no other options.

All this new retail will help with this. I’m still amazed watching how fast the area has transformed into dual corridors of walkable retail, at sufficient local population density to actually support it. We are watching a new urban hub be born in real time!
The issue is a lot of the "normal retail" is being kicked out, their buildings torn down, and once finally built is replaced with sterile chains or upscale retail. You can't get "normal retail" when rent is astronomical.

And a large number of people on this forum are good with this because density is seemingly all that matters....
 
Alright, which one of you is responsible for defacing the ‘proposed development’ sign for this one?
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What are those saying they're looking for normal retail specifically asking for?

In this and other parts of the area there are what I would say are normal retail. Maybe I'm missing what you mean by normal.
 
What are those saying they're looking for normal retail specifically asking for?

In this and other parts of the area there are what I would say are normal retail. Maybe I'm missing what you mean by normal.
I'm assuming "normal retail" refers to stuff that meets day-to-day needs as opposed to high-end drinking and dining? I think it speaks to the broader issue of gentrification leading to a loss of budget-friendly local businesses and seeing them replaced by chains that can afford the higher rents. Convenience stores, cheap takeout venues, a wallet-friendly barbershop, a lower-end sports bar, etc?
 
I'm assuming "normal retail" refers to stuff that meets day-to-day needs as opposed to high-end drinking and dining? I think it speaks to the broader issue of gentrification leading to a loss of budget-friendly local businesses and seeing them replaced by chains that can afford the higher rents. Convenience stores, cheap takeout venues, a wallet-friendly barbershop, a lower-end sports bar, etc?
One type of retailer I’ve always wished we could have in Marda Loop is some sort of hardware store. I feel like a neighbourhood hardware store don’t really exist in Calgary though, it’s all just Home Depot or Lowe’s. Also, the circle K on 33 ave/20 st closed recently, so I do think we need another convenience store in the area.

Maybe a dollarama type of store would fit that niche, though it would definitely not vibe with the rest of Marda loop retail.
 
One type of retailer I’ve always wished we could have in Marda Loop is some sort of hardware store. I feel like a neighbourhood hardware store don’t really exist in Calgary though, it’s all just Home Depot or Lowe’s. Also, the circle K on 33 ave/20 st closed recently, so I do think we need another convenience store in the area.

Maybe a dollarama type of store would fit that niche, though it would definitely not vibe with the rest of Marda loop retail.
Dollarama wouldn't fit the vibe per se, but at some point neighborhoods hit population a level where they need businesses for the everyday folks.
 
Convenience stores, cheap takeout venues, a wallet-friendly barbershop, a lower-end sports bar
The Circle K did close, I wonder if there will be something in one of the new CRUs in the one that is just finishing on 33rd that would be a convenience store... There is also the non-chain ones of 16th Street and the other one 54th Ave. The thing with this and the Co-op/Truman development is that they are killing off a few of the places you mention, Nah Saigon was great value. I do think the best barber in the city is Mancuso, just down 34th. And I really enjoy Garrison Pub.

Like I said maybe the CRUs in that new Sarina one of 33rd fills this a bit but there are not any empty CRUs, other than the old Circle K and the tin can building that are empty.
 
I'm assuming "normal retail" refers to stuff that meets day-to-day needs as opposed to high-end drinking and dining? I think it speaks to the broader issue of gentrification leading to a loss of budget-friendly local businesses and seeing them replaced by chains that can afford the higher rents. Convenience stores, cheap takeout venues, a wallet-friendly barbershop, a lower-end sports bar, etc?
This is anecdotal, but I don’t think what Marda Loop is experiencing is a great example of retail gentrification. There’s been some minor displacement, but the net supply of retail spaces has grown many multiple times over - the high end spots are all in new builds, replacing very little retail.

Not saying is hasn’t happened, just saying the effect of displacement is vastly overstated in Marda Loop. I’d go as far to say Marda Loop never really had much of the “normal stuff” in the first place. It was just such a low baseline , as is most low-density, suburban style neighbourhoods with a pocket of retail based on a few minor strip mall.

Instead of displacement, I’d argue the current local retail economy in Marda has been unusually defined by locally high income spending on beauty, niche designer shopping, coffee and wine. 95% of these places are new builds or first-time residential-to-retail conversions. This didn’t displace much of anything though - the current boom just grew past and around the modest amount of retail that predates the current development era.

To transition to a more “normal” retail is more day-to-day stuff for moderate incomes. Grocery, accessibly priced restaurants/take out, bars. Competent normal retail places that aren’t dependent on a unusually concentration of incredibly high local luxury spending.

Creating “normal” retail probably can’t be shortcut. You need a large supply of walkable retail bays, combined with high local population density.

Marda Loop only has gotten this in the past decade so I’d expect the displacement to occur ironically in reverse - high-end wine bars will be diluted with more normal stuff as growth continues.
 
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