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I'm predicting Calgary will have taken about 53% of the population growth, with Edmonton around 34% and ~15% for the rest of the province. It's a guess, but also basing on housing starts and inventory on the real estate market over the past two years. Calgary housing starts have been significantly higher than Edmonton's, especially in 2023, with Calgary making up 56% of Alberta's housing starts in 2023 and Edmonton making up 37%. Housing starts don't translate directly to growth, but it gives an indication. If Calgary had 55% of the housing starts in a year when the province grew by 202,000 that should translate into some huge numbers. also Calgary's housing market exploded much more than anywhere else in the province during 2023, even during a time of interest rate hikes.
That would be my guess too. I think Calgary will be around 50% in Edmonton around 35%, with 15% for the rest of the province. It’s possible we could see Calgary grow by more than 100,000 in one year that would be unbelievable.
 
It blows my mind that that many people could arrive in Calgary and there be any housing inventory left at all. I mean how on earth did potentially 100,000 people find places to live? I seriously hope developers can ramp up housing construction to keep up with this pase of growth.
 
Seems like the biggest growth is in the work permits. What are the industries that are recruiting a lot of foreign workers?
Just anecdotal but I've noticed a crazy amount of Ukrainians lately. Stayed at a hotel in Canmore, every employee was Ukrainian. Recently had a garage built, all Ukrainians. Have noticed it at a couple other establishments with mostly entry level type jobs too
 
It blows my mind that that many people could arrive in Calgary and there be any housing inventory left at all. I mean how on earth did potentially 100,000 people find places to live? I seriously hope developers can ramp up housing construction to keep up with this pase of growth.
I think a decent amount of international immigrants live with friends or relatives when they arrive. Not sure what the percentage is, but it definitely happens.
Just anecdotal but I've noticed a crazy amount of Ukrainians lately. Stayed at a hotel in Canmore, every employee was Ukrainian. Recently had a garage built, all Ukrainians. Have noticed it at a couple other establishments with mostly entry level type jobs too
There's a house not far from me that has about a dozen Ukranians living there. I don't know how many families, but there appears to be possibly three...or at least three couples, and some children.
 
Add to the anecdote on Ukrainians for home renovation projects. Our window teams was definitely people who had spent years in Western Europe installing windows, and who moved to Canada with the surge due to the war. The non-refugee pathway seems to have been the right choice on behalf of the government, coordinated with the EU which enables the 'market' to better allocate migration flows.
 
A net gain of 55,000 people inter-provincially is massive. I guess the government campaign of “cheap housing is calling” is working!
Not only that but Alberta is also one of the fastest growing province GDP-wise. And how pace of housing starts, while not keeping up with population, is amongst the highest in the country. I think this bodes well for the long term for economic diversification, that there's people of all different skills moving here.
 
Something I forgot to mention earlier regarding Calgary’s population growth, I was talking to my brother-in-law, who works at one of the big banks, and he mentioned that just over half of all new bank accounts opened or transferred to Alberta with his bank were in the Calgary area.
In the past those percentages have closely mirrored population percentages.
It might be different for 2023 due to the number of temporary workers, who knows how many of those workers have opened, bank accounts, or transferred their bank to a branch here.
Whatever the case is, I think we’re looking at at upwards of 80,000 for 2023.
 
the CMA could be hitting 2 million a lot sooner than expected, we must be pushing 1.7 by now?
I think so. It's quite likely we're already over 1.7M. Not sure if the Foothills district will be added to the CMA by the next federal census but if it does, that would make it pretty close to 1.8M today.
 
I consider Foothills part of the CMA. Even if you add Foothills, Calgarys metro area would be between 3000 and 4000 Sq mi which is way smaller than pretty much every 1 million+ metro area in the US. Many US metro include areas that are well outside their commutersheds. Controversial opinion: Calgary is bigger than Columbus, Nashville, Charlotte and Kansas City IMO (among others). Maybe not officially, but when you consider a proper definition of the number of people within what can be considered an urban area.

Sorry, had some beers and thought I'd shake things up
 
I consider Foothills part of the CMA. Even if you add Foothills, Calgarys metro area would be between 3000 and 4000 Sq mi which is way smaller than pretty much every 1 million+ metro area in the US. Many US metro include areas that are well outside their commutersheds. Controversial opinion: Calgary is bigger than Columbus, Nashville, Charlotte and Kansas City IMO (among others). Maybe not officially, but when you consider a proper definition of the number of people within what can be considered an urban area.

Sorry, had some beers and thought I'd shake things up
The US Census Bureau definitely defines metro areas at much larger scales than Statistics Canada. Case in point: metro Chicago is 28000 km2 (holding just over 9 million people). Metro Toronto, on the other hand, is only 6000 km2 and holds 6 million people. The "Greater Golden Horseshoe" is closer to metro Chicago's size (30000 km2) and includes cities like Hamilton, Barrie, Kitchener-Waterloo, etc. It is almost 10 million people. So, Toronto really is slightly larger than Chicago, but the different definitions of "metro" make it seem like Chicago is much larger.

Similarly, at 1.4 million people, metro Calgary looks similar to metro Oklahoma City, but it's less than a third the area (5000 vs 16000 km2).
 
I think so. It's quite likely we're already over 1.7M. Not sure if the Foothills district will be added to the CMA by the next federal census but if it does, that would make it pretty close to 1.8M today.

I consider Foothills part of the CMA. Even if you add Foothills, Calgarys metro area would be between 3000 and 4000 Sq mi which is way smaller than pretty much every 1 million+ metro area in the US. Many US metro include areas that are well outside their commutersheds. Controversial opinion: Calgary is bigger than Columbus, Nashville, Charlotte and Kansas City IMO (among others). Maybe not officially, but when you consider a proper definition of the number of people within what can be considered an urban area.

US metro areas are defined entirely by their commuter sheds.

The US Census Bureau definitely defines metro areas at much larger scales than Statistics Canada. Case in point: metro Chicago is 28000 km2 (holding just over 9 million people). Metro Toronto, on the other hand, is only 6000 km2 and holds 6 million people. The "Greater Golden Horseshoe" is closer to metro Chicago's size (30000 km2) and includes cities like Hamilton, Barrie, Kitchener-Waterloo, etc. It is almost 10 million people. So, Toronto really is slightly larger than Chicago, but the different definitions of "metro" make it seem like Chicago is much larger.

Similarly, at 1.4 million people, metro Calgary looks similar to metro Oklahoma City, but it's less than a third the area (5000 vs 16000 km2).

CMA (and the US equivalent) CBSA aren't just based on vibes or whatever, they're based on commuting flows. The Canadian rule is that an area needs to have 50% of their workers commuting into the centre to be counted as part of the CMA, and that they don't allow holes, so Foothills can't join independently, the combination of Foothills and the other communities within it (Okotoks, High River, Diamond Valley, Longview) have to qualify. And they haven't; they've gotten further away from that 50%. They were incredibly close in 2011, and have drifted away as Okotoks and High River have become larger and more self-sufficient, and then in 2021 with the spike in work from home. And because Foothills has started to try and grow jobs in the Aldersyde area, I'm not sure that it's likely in the next few decades either. The figure below shows the trend (Foothills combined is the grouping I mentioned above including Okotoks, High River, etc.; similar for Rocky View combined including Airdrie and friends.)

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(Note: The above is me explaining what the StatsCan policy is, not defending it; to me it's pretty intuitively obvious that Okotoks and Foothills belong in the CMA.)

The reason that CBSAs in the US are larger than CMAs is due to three things:
1). Longer commutes overall and more dispersed exurban populations.
2). Use of 25% commuting flow, rather than 50% commuting flow in the definition.
3). Use of counties rather than municipalities.

The third one in theory is neutral, since a larger county can be excluded as easily as included, but I suspect it tends to make the metro areas larger.

The 25% commuting flow would make a big difference in Calgary; Foothills would be in, as would Wheatland County including Strathmore. But on the other hand, they wouldn't add that much population; to the 2021 population of 1482K, they would add about 75K and 25K respectively we'd be 7% bigger, which is something, but isn't that big a deal. It would increase our area from ~5087 to ~13200 sq km, but I don't know anyone serious about urban areas who thinks of the physical land area as being particularly meaningful.

And as far as Toronto goes, I had a look; using census divisions (the subdivisions that Statscan uses are too fiddly), and using the US 25% commute definition, the Toronto CBSA would build on a core that included York (Richmond Hill, Vaughan, Markham), Peel (Mississagua, Brampton), Halton (Oakville. Burlington) and Durham (Pickering, Oshawa). With that core, the only census divisions that even have 25% commute flow to add to that are Dufferin (Orangeville, Shelburne) and Kawartha Lakes. So the Toronto CBSA winds up going from 6,202K and 5902 sq km, up to 6,858K and 11644 sq km; about 10% more people.

The US Census Bureau includes a second definition (Combined Statistical Area) that uses a 15% commute flow and does a two-way interchange calculation that I'm not going to bore anyone here with. It defines some much larger metro areas; some that might not be that surprising (San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose; Salt Lake City-Provo-Ogden; Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill) and some that might (Boston-Providence; Washington-Baltimore). Using that definition and census divisions, the greater Toronto CSA would expand substantially; it would include Hamilton, Barrie and Guelph, along with Peterborough and Cobourg-Port Hope. It would have 8,438K population and 25,934 sq km. The comparable definition of Chicago would be 9,987K population.

The other cities in southern Ontario are sufficiently self-contained that they wouldn't join this new conurbation. There is really not that much long distance commuting.
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