Dārayavauš
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The vast majority of Ukranians will be staying in Canada / becoming Canadian. They’re immigrants, they definitely aren’t temporary.
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darwink
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They don't have a status which allows them to.
That being said, after the temporary excess surge of foreign students are gone and worked through the system, with a general refocusing of post-graduation work permits, there will likely be a program to convert Ukrainian temporary status holders into permanent status, especially for people who are self-supporting. The number of skilled or semi-skilled trades it has allowed into Canada has been a benefit IMO. Each home service I had in the last 12 months had a refugee or Ukrainian status holder on the team of some sort.
Housing starts for November. Fairly typical, but Calgary actually had more than Vancouver in November, and wasn't too far behind Toronto. Toronto had a slow month for apartment starts. Winnipeg had a strong month, with a high number of Row homes and apartment starts.
| City | Single Family Home | Semi Detached | Row Housing | Apartment | Total | ...... | ...... | ...... | ...... | ............ |
| Toronto | 419 | 56 | 392 | 1437 | 2304 | |||||
| Calgary | 594 | 110 | 277 | 827 | 1808 | |||||
| Vancouver | 195 | 44 | 175 | 1347 | 1761 | |||||
| Edmonton | 510 | 100 | 209 | 530 | 1349 | |||||
| Montreal | 103 | 38 | 37 | 911 | 1089 | |||||
| Ottawa/Gatineau | 126 | 18 | 249 | 463 | 856 | |||||
| Winnipeg | 127 | 24 | 97 | 324 | 572 |
Patrick.1980
Active Member
Very strong numbers for Calgary, we’re kicking ass. It’ll be interesting to see if the population growth this year is reflective of the housing starts. If so, we should have some really strong growth in population.
darwink
Senior Member
There will be weirdness due to international student churn and the end of near universal and extendible post-graduate work permits.
DougB
Senior Member
That would impact Calgary less so than other large cities
Here's the YTD numbers for housing starts. Only one month left and the order will probably stay the same. Edmonton and Ottawa are close so who knows, but for the others the order will stay the same.
Calgary has already surpassed last year's housing starts of 17,306 which was a record at the time. 2023 should be somewhere just north of 19K.
Calgary has already surpassed last year's housing starts of 17,306 which was a record at the time. 2023 should be somewhere just north of 19K.
| City | Single Family Home | Semi Detached | Row Housing | Apartment | Total | ...... | ...... | ...... | ...... | ............ |
| Toronto | 4392 | 312 | 4686 | 36602 | 45992 | |||||
| Vancouver | 2678 | 856 | 1674 | 24674 | 29882 | |||||
| Calgary | 5337 | 1514 | 2714 | 8521 | 18086 | |||||
| Montreal | 982 | 198 | 328 | 11998 | 13506 | |||||
| Edmonton | 4519 | 878 | 1840 | 4190 | 11427 | |||||
| Ottawa/Gatineau | 1728 | 278 | 1598 | 7569 | 11173 | |||||
| Winnipeg | 1321 | 358 | 440 | 2926 | 5045 |
CBBarnett
Senior Member
Thanks for keeping up with all this data @Surrealplaces . Are these all CMA numbers?
They are indeed. It's been a busy year when you look at Calgary's numbers - even in raw numbers, compared to the big three CMAs, and almost double the cities closest in size (Ottawa, Edmonton)
Foothills MD isn't included of course, that that would also and another 400-500 housing starts for 2023.
kora
Active Member
Alberta gained another 17,094 people, on net, from other provinces and territories from July through September.
That continues a trend that started more than a year ago for Alberta: the province has now registered interprovincial migration gains of at least 10,000 people for five consecutive quarters.
That's the first time that's happened since Statistics Canada started tracking this data in 1971.
kora
Active Member
There are now 4,756,408 people living in the province, according to Statistics Canada's latest estimates, which marks a 4.3-per-cent increase in the past year.
CalgaryTiger
Senior Member
Alberta called, people answered. I'm curious if Alberta has maintained its advantage in average age?
I assume it probably has as it likely isn't retirees moving here for our mild winters (with the exception of this one).
CBBarnett
Senior Member
Huge - will be interesting to see the degree in which the population boom sustains or moderates in the coming years. A couple other milestones are coming up in the next year or two:
- Canada at 41M (likely in 2024 at this pace)
- Ontario at 16M (2024)
- Quebec at 9M (2024)
- BC at 6M (a bit further out, but seems likely by 2025 - 2026)
- Alberta at 5M (2024 - 2025, depending on if rapid growth continues, and for how long)
- Sustainment of the maritime population boom will be interesting to watch - Nova Scotia (~1.1M) & PEI (175,000) in particularly have seen the most impressive growth in decades in the past 5 years.
Cheap housing has called
Cheap relative to BC and Ont, which I assume most of the net migration is coming from, also job creation has been solid. On an anecdotal side I've run into a lot of new people from Manitoba lately, it'll be interesting to see more detailed numbers when they come out.
Beltline_B
Senior Member
Population growth is somewhat tied to housing starts. It doesn't follow the trend exactly, but it's close. With the strong numbers we've seen over the past 11 months, Calgary will have strong population growth to go with it.
Calgary's housing starts are 58% higher than Edmonton's and 62% higher than Ottawa's. My prediction is Calgary's population growth will be about 40-50% higher than Edmonton's and about 50-55% higher than Ottawa's for 2023.