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Mountain Man said:
Interested to see what they propose for 14st, hope it's not bike lanes and a playground lol.
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Oh man. 14th Street will be the real test - it's one of the shittiest streets in the city where no one is happy and pedestrian and vehicle traffic is both high 24/7. It's got higher density everywhere around it, but is also a reasonably significant cross-town route.

Unlike the MacLeod Trails of the world - where commuter flows vastly outweigh local flows - 14th Street actually has thousands of people living right next to it and will always continue to do so. These local needs have historically been ignored completely, hence the terrible quality of the sidewalks and the street acting as a barrier rather than a destination (like 17th Ave SW). The reprogramming should focus on elevating the local back to parity with commuter perspective.

think you could solve a ton of issues if you just tighten up the corners so crosswalks go straight across, ban new driveways/close old driveway and repave a continuous wide sidewalk the whole stretch. I don't think you need to take any vehicle capacity away, I'd just ignore it entirely and polish up everything else.

With traffic congestion limiting speeds on this stretch for most of the day, we could design things to 30km/h standards and no one would even notice as cars rarely can go faster. That would enable the engineers to de-prioritize swooping corners and a few other features in the design that are built to a higher speed assumption than is ever possible in reality.
 
CBBarnett said:
Oh man. 14th Street will be the real test - it's one of the shittiest streets in the city where no one is happy and pedestrian and vehicle traffic is both high 24/7. It's got higher density everywhere around it, but is also a reasonably significant cross-town route.

Unlike the MacLeod Trails of the world - where commuter flows vastly outweigh local flows - 14th Street actually has thousands of people living right next to it and will always continue to do so. These local needs have historically been ignored completely, hence the terrible quality of the sidewalks and the street acting as a barrier rather than a destination (like 17th Ave SW). The reprogramming should focus on elevating the local back to parity with commuter perspective.

think you could solve a ton of issues if you just tighten up the corners so crosswalks go straight across, ban new driveways/close old driveway and repave a continuous wide sidewalk the whole stretch. I don't think you need to take any vehicle capacity away, I'd just ignore it entirely and polish up everything else.

With traffic congestion limiting speeds on this stretch for most of the day, we could design things to 30km/h standards and no one would even notice as cars rarely can go faster. That would enable the engineers to de-prioritize swooping corners and a few other features in the design that are built to a higher speed assumption than is ever possible in reality.
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I never understood with this stretch is why isn't there more left turn restrictions. Most of the traffic backup from my experience is one car turning left holding up an entire lane for a whole phase of the signal. I'd prefer some optimization in the turn restrictions.
 
CBBarnett said:
Oh man. 14th Street will be the real test - it's one of the shittiest streets in the city where no one is happy and pedestrian and vehicle traffic is both high 24/7. It's got higher density everywhere around it, but is also a reasonably significant cross-town route.

Unlike the MacLeod Trails of the world - where commuter flows vastly outweigh local flows - 14th Street actually has thousands of people living right next to it and will always continue to do so. These local needs have historically been ignored completely, hence the terrible quality of the sidewalks and the street acting as a barrier rather than a destination (like 17th Ave SW). The reprogramming should focus on elevating the local back to parity with commuter perspective.

think you could solve a ton of issues if you just tighten up the corners so crosswalks go straight across, ban new driveways/close old driveway and repave a continuous wide sidewalk the whole stretch. I don't think you need to take any vehicle capacity away, I'd just ignore it entirely and polish up everything else.

With traffic congestion limiting speeds on this stretch for most of the day, we could design things to 30km/h standards and no one would even notice as cars rarely can go faster. That would enable the engineers to de-prioritize swooping corners and a few other features in the design that are built to a higher speed assumption than is ever possible in reality.
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Agreed, 14th is quite barren for a major urban street. I think prettying up the sidewalks and improving the interface with the urban realm is great, though there should not be bike lanes even though 14th connects directly to the river pathway. Will be tough for sure and will need to be very well thought out.
 
Urb said:
14 Street North also needs a lot of love.
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Doesn't need to be anything fancy since I don't think it'll ever be a great pedestrian street but walking should at least feel safe, and this doesn't with cars buzzing by at 50km/hr +. Expanding the sidewalk to match what's in the downtown section would be a decent start.

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I learned something new today, I didn't realize if Imagery was turned off, you could get a look at the property lines!
 
trtcttc said:
Could they do a reversible lane here? The sections with 4 lanes isn't really a problem. The pedestrian space gets squeezed in the portion with 5 lanes.
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There are tradeoffs that could happen. Switch all the lights to 4 phases like 17th and 14th. then you can shrink the street. Tradeoff is longer pedestrian wait times, and for 12th, likely a need to run a bike lane phase.
 
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