Mountain Man
Senior Member
2 conservative MP have left the party, one crossed the floor the other left the house. I wonder if Pollievre will even make it to his leadership review.
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blue12
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I think his time is up. He led the party through a lot, and they're still doing well in the polls, but Pollievre himself is becoming rather poorly received and I think the party is overdue for a bit of a refresh.
CalgaryTiger
Senior Member
Feels like another Conservative identity crisis. Stick with the guy who almost got you there or bin him and try to find yourself again. The PP of it all was built for Trudeau but is lost with a Progressive Conservative Prime Minister. Trudeau stole the NDP's thunder after 2011, Carney stole the conservative's last spring.
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darwink
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He forgot to move a motion in the house the other day, literally the only job of the opposition leader in the budget process, so the Bloc got to lead the entire debate.
He has been in this his entire life, and he misses what is supposed to be his core skill set? He is tired.
Mountain Man
Senior Member
PPs negative style is hurting the party, hearing rumours he may step down and leave the party. Wonder how his new constituents would feel about that lol. 3 elections in a year has to be a record...
trtcttc
Senior Member
The challenge for the CPC is there isn't really someone in the wings. A lot of the PC group has left (Rona Ambrose, Erin O'Toole, etc.) and a lot of the front benches are C more than PC, and is going to be very similar to Poillievre. Carney being mostly a PC Prime Minister has definitely squeezed them. Electorally they need to run right to differentiate (it's part of being the official opposition, to oppose), but then the effect is what happened this week where more centrist members are squeezed out. I think Jeneroux leaving is worse, he's in a pretty safe riding vs d'Entremont has some issues with his riding being razor thin and the Deputy Speaker role.
And Poillievre's own performance has been poor. He's probably more centrist than Danielle Smith, but her speaking skills and ability to discuss almost any topic and pivot it is something you just don't see in Poillievre. Anecdotally, people I know that aren't super political, don't like Smith's actions, especially recently, but when they see her on TV vs Poillievre, she's just more likable and personable. Whereas PP always seems to be looking for ways to get his slogans out, but in an unnatural, rehearsed way.
The best hope for the CPC is likely an external candidate like Mark Mulroney type that has name recognition and is more in the traditional PC lane. Or someone like Harper that demonstrated an ability to build coalitions. Harper had Western roots, and social views, but to win, he built his economic team with Jim Flaherty. I don't see those people in the front benches of the CPC anymore.
And Poillievre's own performance has been poor. He's probably more centrist than Danielle Smith, but her speaking skills and ability to discuss almost any topic and pivot it is something you just don't see in Poillievre. Anecdotally, people I know that aren't super political, don't like Smith's actions, especially recently, but when they see her on TV vs Poillievre, she's just more likable and personable. Whereas PP always seems to be looking for ways to get his slogans out, but in an unnatural, rehearsed way.
The best hope for the CPC is likely an external candidate like Mark Mulroney type that has name recognition and is more in the traditional PC lane. Or someone like Harper that demonstrated an ability to build coalitions. Harper had Western roots, and social views, but to win, he built his economic team with Jim Flaherty. I don't see those people in the front benches of the CPC anymore.
CalgaryTiger
Senior Member
This is definitely the beginning of something, I don't see how PP gets this back on the rails. The country seems happy to wait and see with carney. The NDP are taking this time to regroup. It is probably something the Conservative Party should do too.
My read on Canadians is that we're willing to prioritize the environment when things are pretty good (post Obama) but when the world feels chaotic, we really want stability and to take care of the basics. PP wanted to be part of the chaos, I don't think Canadians believe Carney can fulfill all of his aspirations but what they do know is he isn't going make it worse.
Reading articles about American oil and gas companies looking at Canada again and MOUs between the feds and Alberta, how do you not feel better about things? Then there's the fact that the Swedes are visiting and China is sending group tours back. Canada preaching to countries to follow their better angels always felt a little off to me. We can still be a country and culture for others to aspire to be without the lectures.
My read on Canadians is that we're willing to prioritize the environment when things are pretty good (post Obama) but when the world feels chaotic, we really want stability and to take care of the basics. PP wanted to be part of the chaos, I don't think Canadians believe Carney can fulfill all of his aspirations but what they do know is he isn't going make it worse.
Reading articles about American oil and gas companies looking at Canada again and MOUs between the feds and Alberta, how do you not feel better about things? Then there's the fact that the Swedes are visiting and China is sending group tours back. Canada preaching to countries to follow their better angels always felt a little off to me. We can still be a country and culture for others to aspire to be without the lectures.
trtcttc
Senior Member
It's your hierarchy of needs right, if you can't afford a home, you don't care about those millions of trees.
PP had a chance at a reset, move on from Byrne, build a relationship with the PC, Red Tory wing, like the Ontario and NS PCs. That's the only realistic way they can win with a weak NDP. Instead he kept making headlines and seems to be more concerned with the right flank than the centre. I really don't think he should have been concerned with the leadership vote, there was no candidate in waiting. Carney will lose steam in a couple of years, as a lot of the changes he's proposing isn't going to make a difference in the short term, the economy will worsen.
I wasn't old enough to follow politics at the time, but there's so much similarity to 2004/2005. Harper won some seats in Ontario but completely shut out of Quebec, the Liberal base in 2025 is Quebec. Harper supported then abstained on the 2005 budget, waited for Liberal scandals to erode their popularity. Worked with the Bloc and a smaller extent the NDP to take down the Liberal government. I think abstention or light criticism would've worked better for CPC on budget 2025. The country wants unity, and the Liberals, to their credit, had the public service cuts. It's as close to a Conservative budget as the Liberals could've presented. Stop fighting and wait it out, let the NDP rebuild so the left has an alternative to the Libs, wait for the inevitable Liberal scandals. Instead, now the story is all about the Conservatives and the defections, while Carney will probably get the budget passed with relative ease.