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New bus barns location:

https://calgaryherald.com/news/citys-new-bus-barns-spell-the-end-for-popular-motocross-track




Personally I don't give a crap about motocross, but it's disappointing to lose a unique amenity.
Very interesting... I get the location but that is tough for motocross people but they had a good ride. Will get more expensive as there's no city land that they can go to and get a decent lease.

Excited to free up the land in Victoria park but with the state of east village I don't have faith in something immediately replacing the bus barn when this is done and the city moves.
 
Very interesting... I get the location but that is tough for motocross people but they had a good ride. Will get more expensive as there's no city land that they can go to and get a decent lease.

Excited to free up the land in Victoria park but with the state of east village I don't have faith in something immediately replacing the bus barn when this is done and the city moves.
The planned extension of 50 Avenue SE would cut through the property anyway, so the motocross track would likely be closed regardless of whether or not a new garage was built.

Transit has been winding down operations at Victoria Park since before Covid IIRC. Between the green line and the events centre, I highly doubt it has more than 2 years left at this point.
 
The planned extension of 50 Avenue SE would cut through the property anyway, so the motocross track would likely be closed regardless of whether or not a new garage was built.

Transit has been winding down operations at Victoria Park since before Covid IIRC. Between the green line and the events centre, I highly doubt it has more than 2 years left at this point.
If 50th avenue is going to be extended through the property then the transit property will be split into two. Wonder how that will work.
 
If 50th avenue is going to be extended through the property then the transit property will be split into two. Wonder how that will work.
Not necessarily through the middle per se, but it would cut off the south side of the property. See the city's diagram below:

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Transit has been winding down operations at Victoria Park since before Covid IIRC. Between the green line and the events centre, I highly doubt it has more than 2 years left at this point.
Transit hasn’t wound down any bus operations at Victoria Park, other than running weekend service from a different site.

It’s fine to talk about a new garage site to replace Victoria Park, but there’s no budgeted money for a replacement, so anticipate it’ll be there for many years to come. Even if they came up with $500 million tomorrow, it would take longer than two years to build a new garage.
 
Looks like ridership is rebounding and CT's response is "let's reduce transit service!". I'm fine if switching to 2 cars, if there's increased frequency, but that would negate any savings by requiring extra operators. Is electricity and track wear of 2 vs 3 car really that significant? Not to mention the labour required to join/unjoin the third car between weekday/weekends.
 
Is electricity and track wear of 2 vs 3 car really that significant? Not to mention the labour required to join/unjoin the third car between weekday/weekends.
From 4 car trains to two cars, there may be savings. In the past, going from 3 cars to 2, the labour to break up the train sets, by its nature, less efficient, negated the savings.

To give an idea of the cost breakdown, from 2006:
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Not to mention the labour required to join/unjoin the third car between weekday/weekends.
With the questionable economics as pointed out by darwink, maybe it's the first step to having some permanent 2-car trains that will run all week. The article also mentions.

Calgary Transit may consider expanding the two-car service to non-peak hours on weekdays if the pilot is successful.

But this leads to the question of where is the so-called transit ridership recovery? If they're able to use with 3-car trains at peak and 2-car trains off-peak.

And wanting to spends billions of dollars on the Green Line (and several tens of millions of dollars in new net annual operating cost) while your existing rail lines has to scrimp to save a few million dollars seems like what an American transit agency would do.
 
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I believe ridership post recovery is more spread throughout the day. I know peaks still exist, and 4 car trains are necessary to handle those loads. But, I do notice busy trains throughout the day. My worry is that the visual appearance of two-car trains will send the wrong message to users both existing and potential. It just looks like a service reduction, no matter how you communicate it. I worry this will just lead to reduced or plateauing ridership. I can't imagine the cost savings being worth it... for a couple years until they need to add more cars again anyways? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Especially considering labour costs will stay the same. I'm not sold.
 
I believe ridership post recovery is more spread throughout the day. I know peaks still exist, and 4 car trains are necessary to handle those loads. But, I do notice busy trains throughout the day. My worry is that the visual appearance of two-car trains will send the wrong message to users both existing and potential. It just looks like a service reduction, no matter how you communicate it. I worry this will just lead to reduced or plateauing ridership. I can't imagine the cost savings being worth it... for a couple years until they need to add more cars again anyways? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Especially considering labour costs will stay the same. I'm not sold.
Using capacity to justify also doesn't make sense. Theoretically any off peak train is going to have unused capacity, but if every train you get is packed with no seats at all time of the day because they've optimized the train length, that would be a terrible experience. People expect it to be crowded at 5pm and will still take the train because the traffic tradeoffs are high. If it's still packed at 10pm, a portion of those people will simply choose to drive because the traffic tradeoffs are lower.
 

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