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Go Elevated or try for Underground?

  • Work with the province and go with the Elevated option

    Votes: 52 75.4%
  • Try another approach and go for Underground option

    Votes: 14 20.3%
  • Cancel it altogether

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • Go with a BRT solution

    Votes: 2 2.9%

  • Total voters
    69
The decision to go to an above ground station at 16th Avenue highlights just how little financial room they have left. All of the previous options had always had it underground.
I'm not paying attention enough these days. I missed the part where they decided to make 16th Ave above ground. I know it's costly to have it underground, but it seems like a recipe for disaster traffic-wise.

On the other hand this might help kill 16th ave as a major thoroughfare through the city, and the city can look at trying to re-invent 16th ave into something nice.
 
I'm not paying attention enough these days. I missed the part where they decided to make 16th Ave above ground. I know it's costly to have it underground, but it seems like a recipe for disaster traffic-wise.

On the other hand this might help kill 16th ave as a major thoroughfare through the city, and the city can look at trying to re-invent 16th ave into something nice.
A certain Mayoral candidate tried to make it an issue. But the press didn't care about issues this election.

The 16th Ave station can always be re-aligned underground whenever the north leg is extended. There's plenty of time for the line to be moved with future funding sources and we're talking about something that likely won't happen until the early 2030s
The city will have enough money to do this sooner rather than later. Can go north to 64th and south to McKenzie within reasonably known grant amounts by 2030, 2032.

Getting the contract done for phase 1 most important though. I bet Phase 2 gets bundled with north to 64th and south to McKenzie (what I would call phase 3a and 3b) in the end.
 
The longer a mega infrastructure project takes to complete, the more it inevitably costs. The Green Line South is a good project, but it would be a better project at half the cost and there is an upper cost where it stops being a good project.
 
P3s with longer processes, with competitive dialog procedures deliver better projects—last thing we want is bidders thinking they are tied to the functional plan, or in effect tying them by not giving them time to optimize and negotiate.

Given this project (for bidders) is all about being able to deliver the SE and maintenance facility below the city's estimated cost to make up for the risk of the downtown section, that is wise.
 
It may even prove to be beneficial. Inflationary pressures on the cost of construction are supposed to be a temporary one to two year blip. By starting in 2024 we should be seeing bidders factoring lower material costs into their bid compared with where we would be if shovels were going into the ground over the next year.
 
I crap on Calgary Transit often enough that I feel it's important to note when they do something right, and for my money, longer paired cars like this design are the best balance of flexibility and capacity rather than the existing 25m stock we've been using.
Idk, little appreciated but theres actually a compatible model from Frankfurt - the origin of the Edmonton and Calgary stock referenced by RMTransit in one of his videos that combines two 25m cars into one, even longer than those for the Green Line - called the U5-50

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Its the city's largest infrastructure project ever. I just assumed it would take courage to get the full stage 1 done. I predict Shepard to Ramsay will go ahead, there will be a delay on the tunnel portion to Eau Claire but it too will get done; using the cut and cover method. The herald put out an article not long ago with the gentleman running the project pretty much buttering us up for today's news. I saw some on council asking for third-party oversight, isn't that what got us to this point, administrative delay after administrative delay? I wonder what-if we just could've pressed ahead all those years ago. Everyone talks about a can-do Calgary attitude, I've personally never seen it and I've lived here since 1997. Maybe that mentality existing in the 70's and 80's and I think people attribute the '88 Olympics to that attitude but in my opinion that attitude hasn't been here for a long time. When Oil prices rose so did people's ambitions, or at least they use to. Now our property is valued because of its relatively low cost compared to other major markets. Wasn't that what was always going to bring people and business here? We're a major city without the major (relative) barrier to entry.

The green line will have a huge price tag, but it will be built, perhaps in stages, but the cat is out of the bag. You don't spend all the money on enabling works to not "do the damn thing". The project will probably be value engineered down a bit but I'll reserve judgment on what means until I see it.
 
Couldn't recall next steps for the Green Line... In a Global News article from January 25th (https://globalnews.ca/news/8536540/...calating-for-calgarys-green-line-lrt-project/), I see the quote:

"Fairbairn urged councillors to “stay grounded” upon hearing of the risk of cost escalations, and that there there is a focus on getting a “clear understanding” of costs before any changes are made to the scope of the project or alternatives.

“We really won’t have enough concrete information around a budget forecast until we receive prices from proponents,” he said.

Committee heard the next contract would be released for bids at the end of the first quarter of this year."


As we near the end of the first quarter and the release of the next contract I'm curious to see what happens. The talk of project cost escalation was all pre-invasion of Ukraine, so you would have to think things are looking worse not better. In a previous post RFQ was set for Q1 2022 and RFP for Q3 2022. The rubber is about to hit the road for those on the inside of this project.
 
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