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Go Elevated or try for Underground?

  • Work with the province and go with the Elevated option

    Votes: 49 79.0%

  • Try another approach and go for Underground option

    Votes: 9 14.5%

  • Cancel it altogether

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Go with a BRT solution

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Total voters
    62
So I think what is recommended warrants a pause.
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The question needs to be asked if not address today:
If this isn't a failed procurement, what is?
Were other options to drastically cut costs evaluated? If so, what were they and why were they rejected?
 
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Why can't it be a spectrum of reasons, including thinking that the ROI of the Green Line no longer justifies the investment. One can strongly support a Green Line that's <$5B and stretches from Panorama Hills to Seton, then grudgingly approve something that goes from 16th Avenue to Shepard to opposing the Green Line where it now can only go from Eau Claire to Millican.
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Just cause it can’t be built all in one go doesn’t mean it shouldn’t happen. Every other line built extensions over time. It needs to happen and work is already underway. That said, it should at least go to Quarry Park, not Ogden.
 
darwink said:
So I think what is recommended warrants a pause.
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The question needs to be asked:
If this isn't a failed procurement, what is?
Were other options to drastically cut costs evaluated? If so, what were they and why were they rejected?
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Is this the recommendation?

I would sooner cut Eau Claire and extend it to QP or Shepard.
 
FriendlyDrunks said:
I'm just going to leave this here.
"In late 2019 the newly elected UCP provincial government passed legislation allowing their government to terminate their contribution "without cause" and with only 90 days notice. This move complicated the city's ability to move forward with the project, hindered the city's access to the federal government's investment and raised uncertainty among potential procurement bidders"
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The UCP isn't the only reason for the delays as other things that were happening from 2019-2021 (not even counting COVID). In June 2019, the DT tunnel had to be scaled back and the new plan was only approved by Council in June 2020. The Green Line board was also being setup to take over oversight and management, a new managing director was hired (and left), a CEO and COO needed to be hired. And even when they picked the constructor, at least another 16 months of design was needed to even begin construction.
 
I've supported Green Line for years but as far as I'm concerned we should be scrapping this project, what a boondoggle.
 
Wtf. Who will that serve? Reverse commuters who work at CP HQ? Is the plan to just get started and already begin the process of Phase 2 funding?
 
O-tac said:
Wtf. Who will that serve? Reverse commuters who work at CP HQ? Is the plan to just get started and already begin the process of Phase 2 funding?
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So focused on keeping the tunnel downtown the project is turned into a rump.

Seemingly no imagination.
 
darwink said:
So focused on keeping the tunnel downtown the project is turned into a rump.

Seemingly no imagination.
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Why did it need to go to Eau Claire? Why not terminate it one station sooner so it can at least reach QP, which is a TOD and large scale employment centre. This is a bad compromise.

Whatever. At this point I’ll just be happy if anything begins construction. At the glacial pace this has been moving another election cycle will finish before this does and the city can begin Phase 2 (asking for Federal and Provincial funding).
 
O-tac said:
Why did it need to go to Eau Claire? Why not terminate it one station sooner so it can at least reach QP, which is a TOD and large scale employment centre. This is a bad compromise.

Whatever. At this point I’ll just be happy if anything begins construction. At the glacial pace this has been moving another election cycle will finish before this does and the city can begin Phase 2 (asking for Federal and Provincial funding).
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Doesn't save much money since the switches and tail track north of a 7th station is still needed.
 
O-tac said:
Why did it need to go to Eau Claire? Why not terminate it one station sooner so it can at least reach QP, which is a TOD and large scale employment centre. This is a bad compromise.
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If they're boring the tunnel, there might not be any better/cheaper place to exit.

Where will the maintenance facility go?
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I assume they're having long discussion/begging CPKC for their land.
 
At this point with the money that they do have currently with the province and feds, and the longer we wait, the more costly it becomes to do the core, just get it done is my opinion. But this is such a far cry from 2015, and then the 2021 version.

It feels with all this time since it was first announced, we could've have the Centre Street LRT being built right now instead, and have that go from North Pointe to Downtown with the same amount of money. At least that first phase would actually have high ridership from day one. This new proposed one is most certainly not gonna have much use.

With that said, more fed funding is on tap in the upcoming years, so focus on the line actually becoming useful with extensions then. But you gotta have something to extend first, so just build what can be done now. Short term pain, for long term gain.

This has been quite a clusterfuck.
 
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