Broadway on 17th | 154m | 47s | Vesta | Zeidler

Towers looking worse and worse. It's the ground level plaza and podiums that will make this project special
In fairness, they were not overly outward with the tower look when the design was released, looked very placeholder like. As if they were purposely not showing due to incompletion. The overhead look we reference was removed off their site within a week or so after launch. The podium was always the focus. So, ultimately the market said we want bigger patios, so that's what they designed.
 
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The renders on their site look better lol (obviously).
 
Really hoping the beige / brown bands on the podium around the glass remain brick. The newest renders are maddeningly ambiguous and could just as well be cheap metal paneling. Really hoping this doesn’t turn out like West Village towers. Not holding my breath until it’s built. I’ve seen one too many bait and switches.
 
weve come a long way from the garbage of 20-30yrs ago
In many ways yes...but I think there was also some really solid stuff being build in the 2000s. Projects like Arriva, Brava/Encore, Colours, Chocolate, 205 Riverfront, Point on the Bow etc. still hold up really well... better than many of the projects from the last 5 years. Often better facade materials, use of curtain wall, and fewer random color squares too.

Of course there was also plenty of Pointe of View/London/Sasso/Vetro/Lacaille garbage, but let's not talk about that...

The podium of this project looks like it should be pretty decent, but I don't think the towers themselves are anything to write home about.
 
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Really hoping the beige / brown bands on the podium around the glass remain brick. The newest renders are maddeningly ambiguous and could just as well be cheap metal paneling. Really hoping this doesn’t turn out like West Village towers. Not holding my breath until it’s built. I’ve seen one too many bait and switches.
Per the DP this week, the podium is exclusively brick...charcoal, red, and beige facing south and west...light grey facing north. Some minor spandrel around the windows. Towers are composites in black and silver.
 
In many ways yes...but I think there was also some really solid stuff being build in the 2000s. Projects like Arriva, Brava/Encore, Colours, Chocolate, 205 Riverfront, Point on the Bow etc. still hold up really well... better than many of the projects from the last 5 years. Often better facade materials, use of curtain wall, and fewer random color squares too.
I wonder how much of that has to do with the National Building Code changes that were made 5 or so years ago. I remember hearing that they would make curtain wall much less economical to build.
 
In many ways yes...but I think there was also some really solid stuff being build in the 2000s. Projects like Arriva, Brava/Encore, Colours, Chocolate, 205 Riverfront, Point on the Bow etc. still hold up really well... better than many of the projects from the last 5 years. Often better facade materials, use of curtain wall, and fewer random color squares too.

Of course there was also plenty of Pointe of View/London/Sasso/Vetro/Lacaille garbage, but let's not talk about that...

The podium of this project looks like it should be pretty decent, but I don't think the towers themselves are anything to write home about.
I wonder how much of that has to do with the National Building Code changes that were made 5 or so years ago. I remember hearing that they would make curtain wall much less economical to build.
Also wondering how much is due to rental vs condo. With condos the builders had to put in more effort on the exterior looks to help sell units. Also as mentioned, the building code probably an effect as well, but I suspect it's a combo of the two factors. I see buildings in Toronto and Vancouver with a lot more glass and higher end materials, but of course those units are twice the cost of a unit here in Calgary.
 
We are still getting a lot of the garbage, but some projects are definitely rising above the trash pile lol
Off topic, but sort of hit me today. Atleast with building renderings, you can sit and go yay or nay, and then have a fairly rationale comparable once it's built to what was illustrated. It's when I see plazas and parks and streetscape renderings...where they show the buildings as they are today or upon opening...but then the landscaping is literally the "year 25" version. Large shrubs, oaks, grasses...lol. Complete misrepresentation of reality.
 
Off topic, but sort of hit me today. Atleast with building renderings, you can sit and go yay or nay, and then have a fairly rationale comparable once it's built to what was illustrated. It's when I see plazas and parks and streetscape renderings...where they show the buildings as they are today or upon opening...but then the landscaping is literally the "year 25" version. Large shrubs, oaks, grasses...lol. Complete misrepresentation of reality.
I think it should be a requirement that every project proposal should come with at least one rendering of the street that shows the street on a grey and slushy February day.

Or maybe a scenario like today...but that rendering might just be a white rectangle.
 
hmm, looking more and more like investor targeted garbage with the limited info available. I don't know, 1500 people will be living here. There aren't unit sizes provided but, they do look really tight. The number of elevators appears at the minimum required and the minimum which is based on people per hour than number of cabs has been a gong show in Canada.

What matters most of all is how they appear in the skyline. They are heading towards a cheap, grey scale, congealed mass than a trio of towers.

The early renderings had unrealistic glazing so the drawings not living up to those early concept drawings is to be expected. I'm just off the angled facades and colours chosen.

Site plan is still the site plan. The interior courtyard remains a step above a more typical block sized podium with perimeter retail. The presence of the towers will impact the space. It's still a concern of mine it's not sheltered.
 

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