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CalgaryTiger said:
Over a day per seat in this venue. 1400+ days of construction for a 1200 (total) seat venue is wild.
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I'm thinking there's some stuff going on behind the scenes that line up the yet-to-be designed plaza with this project - add the buffer into the schedule to figure it all out together.

I still think it's too slow, but seems a bit deliberately slow and vague as a schedule. Got to be more going on.
 
I'm gonna resurrect the part of the thread where we were talking about the Plaza. I know that they likely didn't do it because they would have lost onterior programmable space on an already constrained site, but it would have been a total no-brainer to include a publicly accessible roof/terrace element that is accessible from the Plaza itself (with bleacher stairs and the works, I know, cliche, but it would be literally the perfect solution here). It's such an obvious move I would be utterly astounded if KPMB (who are normally fairly competent designers) didn't seriously consider it at some point.
 
In a perfect world, I totally agree with you. But in this world we all know that any such amenity would be stained with shit and scorch marks, covered in needles within the first week. A controlled-access, terraced public rooftop garden/park with security, absolutely. Definitely an oversight on CMLCs part to not have made that a requirement.
 
So, this is going to take longer to build than the arena? that building is easily 5x the size and 10x as complicated. How?
 
UrbanWarrior said:
In a perfect world, I totally agree with you. But in this world we all know that any such amenity would be stained with shit and scorch marks, covered in needles within the first week.
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I tend to believe that misanthropy like this actually contributes to the degradation of the public realm.

When we hold our eachother in such low regard, the well-off recede into their walled gardens. "Enter the public realm? Nay! That is full of piss and shit and the dreaded poor people"

So, public areas don't receive funding and are sparsely visited by everyone except people who feel comfortable in squalor, ie. criminals and addicts.

When we create more public spaces that are enjoyable to visit, you get a more diverse array of people. There's less congregating of any group you might find unsavoury.

Because we have so few enjoyable public spaces, what does exist becomes a hot spot for people who have no other options. The kinds of people who can't retreat to a Cactus Club.
 
Mountain Man said:
I get what you're saying, and I want to agree with you. However, the public realm is full of meth heads and fentanyl zombies who piss and shit all over everything currently. Your Cactus Club comment doesn't help though...
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Oh for sure, and I'm not attempting to claim that having more public spaces would eliminate it entirely. Obviously a lot of other factors contributing to it, opioid crisis, housing costs, inadequate healthcare access, etc etc.

But a sure way to make the problem worse is discouraging people who have money to take part in public space.

Just like transit, healthcare, or education, when the wealthy stop participating in the public sphere the public goods start to degrade.
 
Hard to see but Enmax is on site and parks has fully moved into their new location NW of the old one.
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