News   Apr 03, 2020
 6.1K     1 
News   Apr 02, 2020
 7.6K     3 
News   Apr 02, 2020
 4.5K     0 

2025 Federal Election

Who are you voting for in the 2025 Federal Election?

  • LPC - Mark Carney

  • CPC - Pierre Poilievre

  • NDP - Jagmeet Singh

  • GPC - Elizabeth May


Results are only viewable after voting.

UrbanWarrior

Senior Member
Member Bio
Joined
Mar 28, 2016
Messages
6,473
Reaction score
45,542
Location
Beltline
Just figured we needed a new election thread. My views are pretty obvious, but the more I learn about Pollievre and his history, the more it scares me where this country could go if he takes the reins. When I first saw Carney mentioned a few months ago I just though, christ they're going with a banker... during the greatest affordability crisis in a century, how out of touch are these fools? But then I looked into his record and I mean yeah he is a banker, but he also steered Canada through the greatest financial crisis of my life, with nothing but extreme praise from Stephen Harper. Not that I put a ton of stock in anything Harper says or does, but it harkens to a time before the division we are experiencing now.

So yeah anyways, there's only one choice in my mind. How does anyone else feel?
 
Calgary is a very interesting battleground. Days ago you wouldn't have thought there would more than maybe one Liberal MP from Calgary now I think there could be 2 or 3. My mind is made up, I'm excited to move on from JT and i was never a F*ck Trudeau guy but I did grow tired of him. I was fine with four years of PP as a good reset but of course the guy south of the 49th has changed everything and I am really uncomfortable with things like this...

1 in 5 CPC supporters support becoming a U.S. state. If the liberals win that number rises to 1 in 3.
https://angusreid.org/trump-carney-51st-state-canada-usa/

I LOVE this country and really don't like the states, I never had any interest in vacationing there before all this either as I find the culture to be very boisterous and overwhelmingly extroverted. I don't really consume their media, I much prefer English TV and other European shows, so I am a bit out of touch in that way.

I want a steady hand, I see one option providing that the other guy has Cheeto dust all over his face.
 
Interestingly, Angus Reid is also releasing sub-regional numbers this time around. The sample is large enough to show that big things are happening in Calgary.

For the Calgary CMA (and if it had an margin of error, that would be ~8%, with a 145 sample):

Vote Intent (support + Lean Decided Voters)

December 2024March 17, 2025
Conservative51%45%
Liberal11%39%
NDP34%16%
Green3%0%
Other1%0%

Net Favourable
Pierre Poilievre41% Favourable -49% Unfavourable = -8%
Mark Carney49% Favourable -36% Unfavourable = +13%

Best PM
Pierre Poilievre31%
Mark Carney42%

Top Issues (Choose 3)
Cost of Living62%
USA Relations and Tariffs44%
Health Care26%
The Economy24%
Housing affordability12%
Environment/Climate Change10%
Crime/Safety11%
Deficit/Spending13%
Income Inequality11%
Immigration8%
Jobs11%
Ethics11%
Energy15%
International Relations6%
National Unity4%
Indigenous/Reconciliation
Emergency Preparedness
Other1%

Best Able to Handle Issues
Pierre PoilievreMark Carney
Trump's threats of annexation and Canada becoming the 51st state34%56%
The "trade wars" between Canada and the United States36%54%
Protecting Canada's Economy39%50%
Relations Between Ottawa and the Provinces34%42%
Developing or Expanding Trade relationships outside of the United States32%56%
Improving Healthcare26%50%
Reducing the cost of living36%45%
 
Last edited:
Yeah I think there's an outside chance we get up to 5 liberal MPs in the city, and a good chance at 4, but no less than 3. Edmonton's got a pretty good chance of being a Liberal/NDP sweep. We could see the largest proportion of Albertas districts going to centre/left parties in our history. Still only 13 of 37 seats at the outside, but that's pretty huge for us. Even the 6 they're leading in currently is pretty significant.
 
Last edited:
Yeah I think there's an outside chance we get up to 5 liberal MPs in the city, and a good chance at 4, but no less than 3. Edmonton's got a pretty good chance of being a Liberal/NDP sweep. We could see the largest proportion of Albertas districts going to centre/left parties in our history. Still only 13 of 37 seats at the outside, but that's pretty huge for us. Even the 6 they're leading in currently is pretty significant.
I'm tempering my expectations but there is momentum there.
 
Honestly, I'm so disappointed with how emotionally irrational Canadians can be over short-term events like Trump. It's as if the last nine years of destructive and corrupt Liberal policies don't matter. The same MPs are returning to office for the Liberals, bringing the same anti-energy policies. I'm also frustrated with how the media linked Pierre Poilievre to Trump. Other than a few slogans, I don’t understand how he got tied to Trump, while a man who hasn’t even lived in Canada for the last 10 years is somehow seen as the more patriotic one. I fear another term of Liberal governance will cause irreversible damage to our economy, particularly the energy sector. Affordability is out the window, too.

At the end of the day, to each their own, it’s a democracy. But I’m very disappointed seeing the polls. I felt we needed a four-year reset back to the right, and then I would have been open to voting Liberal again, provided they had new MPs and a leader not tied to their ideologically rigid establishment.
 
over short-term events like Trump
It is not a short term thing though. The Trump world's view and action on trade will cause a secular change to the economy. The deterioration of relations, likewise.

The tools politicians (especially opposition ones) have are words. So it shouldn't surprise that mirroring the conduct and words of right wing proto-authoritarism, of which Trump is the most visible, ties him to Trump. The previous leader has worn a MAGA hat, his campaign manager too. A lot of conservatives were quite happy at Trump winning again, so fixated they were on Keystone XL being resurrected somehow (even if it isn't needed), and so convinced they were that his talk on trade was just a lie. Then, they swallowed hook, line and sinker, arguments about border security and fentanyl, acting like if Canada was somehow just better, the tariffs threats would go away. People obviously noticed.

There is also, the CPC and Poilievre suffer from a disqualification problem which caps their accessible voter universe. Only when Trudeau was viewed as so negative, especially when interest rates spiked and squeezed household budgets, and the international student surge destroyed the entry level job market especially in Ontario, did Trudeau's negatives go so high, that they pushed beyond the disqualification of the CPC. Once Trudeau was gone, the symbolic carbon tax was soon to be gone, and interest rates had been declining for months, and the labour force maxed out and started shrinking, those voters moved back. Surprisingly, NDP voters who didn't like trudeau, associated Singh very much with Trudeau, and also abandoned the NDP for the Liberals.

I think the concern over energy policy is overwrought. Oil production and exports are at a record, with massive pipeline expansions being completed both to the coast and into the mid-west. There is excess capacity. A 10% tariff is maybe 5x a barrel what carbon pricing is, and the feds with the province are all in to subsidize the majority of the cost of carbon capture and storage, which industry has told us for 20 years would green the oil sands (at one point the Harper policy was no oil sands facilities after 2012 without either carbon capture or nuclear, and net zero by 2080, 80% reduction by 2050 iirc).

The PM is talking about new pipelines for export and to at least Ontario and Quebec (so they can't be cut off from USA transhipment). Talking about waving federal assessments for most projects. Things are moving incredibly fast.

The past is truly another country in this case. Canada is under existential threat, and since you don't see that, you miss the opportunities that that creates to do things differently and switch from our mode of operating for the past 70 years, focused on the USA market. In a fight like this, an economic fight, Canada's ability to earn money from selling our natural resources is goal #1. I think in 10 years we will be amazed at what Canada has accomplished over from 2025-2035, and how it sets us up for the next century. I think there are hints at that from Poilievre, but the temptation right now for his is to revert to slogans and blame, and the belief that complicated problems have simple solutions.
 
Last edited:
Due to the Trump shitstorm, the Liberals are back in it, and if they win they'll have a chance to either move in a different direction than the previous regime, or if they continue with business as usual, they would probably end up in the same spot they were before the Trump situation.
 
You also don't need much imagination, to wonder where loyalties might lie, with at least 2 former MPs acting in the most helpful of ways to Pierre:
1743017434201.png

1743017494029.png


and Premier Smith talking about a unity crisis and a referendum
 
Honestly, I'm so disappointed with how emotionally irrational Canadians can be over short-term events like Trump. It's as if the last nine years of destructive and corrupt Liberal policies don't matter. The same MPs are returning to office for the Liberals, bringing the same anti-energy policies. I'm also frustrated with how the media linked Pierre Poilievre to Trump. Other than a few slogans, I don’t understand how he got tied to Trump, while a man who hasn’t even lived in Canada for the last 10 years is somehow seen as the more patriotic one. I fear another term of Liberal governance will cause irreversible damage to our economy, particularly the energy sector. Affordability is out the window, too.

At the end of the day, to each their own, it’s a democracy. But I’m very disappointed seeing the polls. I felt we needed a four-year reset back to the right, and then I would have been open to voting Liberal again, provided they had new MPs and a leader not tied to their ideologically rigid establishment.
Im curious why you think a lifelong politician who has never held a real job in his entire life, would be a better choice to lead us through tough economic times, than a Harvard and Oxford educated Economist who has led the bank of Canada and bank of England through similarity turbulent times.
 
It is not a short term thing though. The Trump world's view and action on trade will cause a secular change to the economy. The deterioration of relations, likewise.

The tools politicians (especially opposition ones) have are words. So it shouldn't surprise that mirroring the conduct and words of right wing proto-authoritarism, of which Trump is the most visible, ties him to Trump. The previous leader has worn a MAGA hat, his campaign manager too. A lot of conservatives were quite happy at Trump winning again, so fixated they were on Keystone XL being resurrected somehow (even if it isn't needed), and so convinced they were that his talk on trade was just a lie. Then, they swallowed hook, line and sinker, arguments about border security and fentanyl, acting like if Canada was somehow just better, the tariffs threats would go away. People obviously noticed.

There is also, the CPC and Poilievre suffer from a disqualification problem which caps their accessible voter universe. Only when Trudeau was viewed as so negative, especially when interest rates spiked and squeezed household budgets, and the international student surge destroyed the entry level job market especially in Ontario, did Trudeau's negatives go so high, that they pushed beyond the disqualification of the CPC. Once Trudeau was gone, the symbolic carbon tax was soon to be gone, and interest rates had been declining for months, and the labour force maxed out and started shrinking, those voters moved back. Surprisingly, NDP voters who didn't like trudeau, associated Singh very much with Trudeau, and also abandoned the NDP for the Liberals.

I think the concern over energy policy is overwrought. Oil production and exports are at a record, with massive pipeline expansions being completed both to the coast and into the mid-west. There is excess capacity. A 10% tariff is maybe 5x a barrel what carbon pricing is, and the feds with the province are all in to subsidize the majority of the cost of carbon capture and storage, which industry has told us for 20 years would green the oil sands (at one point the Harper policy was no oil sands facilities after 2012 without either carbon capture or nuclear, and net zero by 2080, 80% reduction by 2050 iirc).

The PM is talking about new pipelines for export and to at least Ontario and Quebec (so they can't be cut off from USA transhipment). Talking about waving federal assessments for most projects. Things are moving incredibly fast.

The past is truly another country in this case. Canada is under existential threat, and since you don't see that, you miss the opportunities that that creates to do things differently and switch from our mode of operating for the past 70 years, focused on the USA market. In a fight like this, an economic fight, Canada's ability to earn money from selling our natural resources is goal #1. I think in 10 years we will be amazed at what Canada has accomplished over from 2025-2035, and how it sets us up for the next century. I think there are hints at that from Poilievre, but the temptation right now for his is to revert to slogans and blame, and the belief that complicated problems have simple solutions.
This election reeks of the myopia of 2021. Tariffs will be as consequential in the long term as vaccine mandates were in the fall of 2021. The real threat, completely ignored, is responding to the US becoming even more attractive to capital. Canada has suffered a massive exodus of capital since 2015 which will continue to limit productivity growth. If the US follows through on tax cuts and deregulation, capital flight is sure to continue if not accelerate. Whether someone wore a MAGA hat is irrelevant. Canada will need to enact an agenda of increased investment in infrastructure and the military, tax cuts, privatization and deregulation while at the same time reducing the operational budget deficit. This will involve challenging assumptions like protecting industries, shoring up the housing market, allowing people to collect OAS at 65, allowing the exchange rate to suffer to protect (CAD denominated) operational spending while discouraging (USD denominated) capital spending, regional wealth redistribution and government monopolizing large areas of the economy such as health care. None of the parties are up to the job, but the Liberals least so as they are the real conservatives who overvalue protecting the past (ex. housing values, pensions, protected industries) rather than maximizing the future. The Liberal's core voting base of Boomers, public sector employees and Laurentian Oligarchs (banks, media companies, telecoms) comes as no surprise.
 
Im curious why you think a lifelong politician who has never held a real job in his entire life, would be a better choice to lead us through tough economic times, than a Harvard and Oxford educated Economist who has led the bank of Canada and bank of England through similarity turbulent times.
Because the economist has a track record of failed technocracy. His solution to everything has been stimulus. Technocracy fails due to its hubris in underestimating the unintended consequences of countering market forces.
 
This election reeks of the myopia of 2021. Tariffs will be as consequential in the long term as vaccine mandates were in the fall of 2021.
Tariffs the USA brought in in the 1890s caused Canada's industrial and trade policy to orient away from the USA for 50 years.

If the US follows through on tax cuts and deregulation, capital flight is sure to continue if not accelerate.
The USA is juicing their economy with huge deficits. Eventually that will need to end.

Whether someone wore a MAGA hat is irrelevant.
It is clearly not. not when MAGA has declared that Canada is the out group, and not only that, but that Canada should not exist.

Canada will need to enact an agenda of increased investment in infrastructure and the military, tax cuts, privatization and deregulation while at the same time reducing the operational budget deficit.
Sounds like the Carney platform.
 
Because the economist has a track record of failed technocracy. His solution to everything has been stimulus. Technocracy fails due to its hubris in underestimating the unintended consequences of countering market forces.
Ok, so why would PP be better? Im yet to read any real reasons why PP would be a good leader, I only hear smear about Carney from the Conservatives
 
I enjoy seeing how people outside my bubble see things. I do get people's frustration with the Liberals under Justin Trudeau who people do point out bought a pipeline but otherwise did not prioritize economic growth beyond what was the fallout of programs like childcare (more people able to work) and increased TFW and students during the last few years.

I was ready to vote CPC but with the Liberals pull to the right/centre, I was pulled back. I trust that Carney does not have all the answers but will surround himself with people who are smart and can reorient our country in a direction it needs to go. I wanted change, I think I'm going to get the change I'm looking for.

I don't understand the frustration between PP being compared to Trump? PP is a populist that has follows that believe what Trump's followers do. PP isn't Trump and I don't think they're the same but they sing the same rhymes.
 

Back
Top