Westbrook Residential | 23m | 6s | DAAS

Cowtown said:
Between this, and the Truman project beside it, there is finally some good action building up at Westbrook.
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A few projects get built and the area will take off, it's just a matter of time. I remember Bridgeland seemed stuck in neutral for a while, and once it started going it never looked back. Now it's on fire.
 
darwink said:
Empty retail activates the street even less. Not every residential building needs retail at the bottom - given the narrow side faces 33rd, this is fine.
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Who said it's gonna stay empty next to an LRT station, library, and thousands of planned future units? I can't think of a better street to include retail on. Truman is pushing for a Mainstreet and this development not having retail somewhat defeats that purpose. Plenty of examples of narrow ground retail that works. Something like a barbershop would fit in nicely.
 
CBBarnett said:
Usually I would agree about ground-floor retail, but the location isn't really as good as the Truman parcels as this is the last site to abut the Bow Trail blast zone. Sorry not an architect and I can't draw straight today:

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The "street" to the north is just an alley combined with a weird slip access to the parallel road to Bow Trail. Immediately to the north is a bunch of power boxes installed as part of the LRT construction and I assume will never get developed. You also start all the slip lanes and medians for the 33rd and Bow Trail intersection right in front of the site so it's where the cars start acting like it's time to merge into a no-stopping right turn, rather than approaching an urban intersection and slowing down. Here's the top view for a better look at all that high-speed pavement nearby:

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So whatever you put at the ground floor will have 60 - 80 decibel traffic noise permanently, plus a bunch of high-speed cars turning right a few metres away. This building fits into that category of doing everything right on it's own, but it's car-oriented environment holds back some of the possibilities of what's realistic. What's stellar is the minimal parking and reasonable, human scale height - so it's part of long-term, transit and human-centric solution.
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The CTH development still makes an effort of some sort of ground floor activation even though being surronded by a busy highway.This size of plot of land would be a gold mine in Europe where there forced to be creative with every little inch they have. That means no room for medicore land scaping, grass ,etc. Again nothing against the development, it'd be a bonus to have the street activation.
 
haltcatchfire said:
In a building that size by the time you have parkade ramp, bike room, waste and it’s loading, vestibule, mail room, lobby, electrical room, service shafts, structural columns, stairwells, elevators, elevator lobbies and egress corridors what’s left for retail?
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That's what I mean, I would've liked to see it engineered into the building. Now it's obviously too late. Just my nitpick, but the scale of the building could have easily accommodated retail away from the alley side for a small shop or something. Like I mentioned above, in parts of the world where space Is limited, they make every inch work out. What I'm thinking is Westbrook didn't approach the street with the same vision as Truman seeing I can't find a 33 st Mainstreet plan from the City.
 
gsunnyg said:
That's what I mean, I would've liked to see it engineered into the building. Now it's obviously too late. Just my nitpick, but the scale of the building could have easily accommodated retail away from the alley side for a small shop or something. Like I mentioned above, in parts of the world where space Is limited, they make every inch work out. What I'm thinking is Westbrook didn't approach the street with the same vision as Truman seeing I can't find a 33 st Mainstreet plan from the City.
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"On the east boundary of the area, 33rd Street SW has a sensitive interface with the adjacent low-density residential neighbourhood"
"Signage along 33rd Street SW should be designed in a manner appropriate for adjacency to a low-density residential neighbourhood. This includes avoiding back-lit signs."


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Liking the new design, the scale and material remind me of Japan. Great spot for this kind of thing.

I am increasingly confident that the Westbrook station area is legitimately moving from a nice planning dream to an active TOD area to watch.
  • there's so many low/mid-rise developments that are built or being built already already - not plans, but actual construction.
  • there's a reasonable and increasing supply of food options, restaurants and services already, including pockets of walkable retail.
  • transit access to downtown is a reliable 10 minutes on a high frequency line - one of the few areas in the city that has that.
  • the area didn't waste half it's development potential like the other LRT corridors with excessive highway infrastructure (Crowchild Trail NW, Memorial Drive NE) and wide sloppy road designs (MacLeod S, 36th Street NE).
  • All communities around it have been redeveloped, or are in the process, remaining popular and increasingly populated. This keeps incrementally increasing demand in the area for services, more housing, more services in a virtuous cycle.
  • Given a strong and consistent street grid in most direction, capacity for further urban intesification is quite large around Westbrook compared to other potential clusters.
It's a good combo. If a serious developer could make a legitimate move on the Westbrook Station area itself, it would tie the whole thing together and really become a true TOD node unlike any other in Calgary.
 
CBBarnett said:
It's a good combo. If a serious developer could make a legitimate move on the Westbrook Station area itself, it would tie the whole thing together and really become a true TOD node unlike any other in Calgary.
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That would be huge. I also wish the parcel was broken up into 3-5 parcels instead of one big parcel as I think it would happen quicker and also give some diversity rather than a sterile 3 tower development with the same podium materials. I would stil be okay with a 3 tower development though.
 
The name of this one made me think this was the Westbrook Station haha... There are a few high potential areas in the inner city but nothing has what this one has. If you're a developer you should be falling over yourself for this site. It is better than EV, Victoria Park, Currie, University District and West District. You have the opportunity to do something that is all your own and thus you get all the benefits versus sharing benefits with other developers. Sure, there's a little risk but then maybe phase it like Uxborough.
 
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