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The first draft of the revised alignment after the 2019 issues wanted to place the station between 4th and 5th Street because of the reasons you noted. However, after the functional design phase they had to move it over for operational and cost reasons.

I look forward to next year when it becomes official and council and LRT On the Green gets mad about it for a few days and then a week later change their minds and say the new (new, new) Stage 1 is still a good start, builds the most important and hardest part of the line, none of the previous...

For Stage 1 and its limited ridership, it'll be two-cars trains. But even with 5 minute headways, that peak capacity isn't that high. That's barely enough for NC trips 15 years ago and well below the capacity needed for the predicted number of NC transit trips at 1.5 million population that...

I think the designed length of the Green Line trains is too long for that happen. Most of the European trams use rolling stock of 30-40m length in total, while the Portland LRT that councillors went to visit only uses two car-sets that don't exceed 61m in length (and its streetcar is only 20m...

I don't think the idea of the segment from the Bow to 16th Avenue being underground is purely about about NIMBY or about not affecting traffic. Replacing vehicle traffic was supposed to improve the Centre Street urban landscape, such as: The Green Line isn't going to be some quaint street car...

I'd imagine it was only thrown in to show a single positive to make up for all the negative changes that were made to Eau Claire to 16th Avenue to save costs. I wouldn't be surprised if/when they ever get to building the segment, that station gets eliminated.

In 2016 planners did evaluate an option using Centre Street but they ranked it poorly, well-behind the full tunnel Option D. And when they reviewed alternatives for 2020, the NC LRT options use the Centre Street bridge but terminate at 6 St and can't connect with the SE LRT, so new...

You're just adding back the tunnel that everybody understood was needed... Until they no longer had enough money for the other sections.

Yeah, and it's about $200M/km from 16th to 64th Avenue (about $1.1B from RouteAhead estimate for 5.2 km of track and 4 stations). Remarkably, it's still about $200M/km from 64th to North Pointe ($1.2B for 5.7 km of track and 3 stations). trtcttc is right to be concerned about the construction...

There was lip service given back then about the "importance" of the NC but they haven't even bothered with token gestures like declaring 16th to Beddington as an unfunded, unknown time-frame Stage 2, or completing the design plans or acquiring land on Centre Street. Anybody see the North leg...

Calgary would still be mired in West LRT work. But the real problem is that the Green Line team couldn't find a way to justify all that spending for mostly empty trains to the SE back then.

Yes, getting to Beddington or even 64th would make the Green Line a fundamentally much better system. And that's why I consider it a massive mistake in 2017 that the Green Line team didn't keep it at Beddington-Shepard, the supposed core of the Green Line, even if that meant increasing the...

When a project has gone so over-budget and delayed, people will have different ideas on what it should look like and what the best usage of that money to obtain the greatest transit benefit (ridership). The Green Line's problem isn't a lack of TOD, it's that it can't reach the ridership heavy...

It's possible that those properties wouldn't be needed if they run out of money for Phase 2 of Stage 1.

I've noticed that too. I think that the delays to the Green Line has really affected its development, LRT was supposed to be an important part of it (even when it was coming from the Nose Creek direction) and now they have no idea what to do. They haven't even bothered to update the area...

That commercial area, Aurora Business Park, is really the only area with the available space. But the City of Calgary has lofty mixed development plans for it and hasn't been keen on giving up its land there for other purposes, it didn't consider it for the maintenance yard for the Green Line...

Yeah, most likely that piece of land in Livingston, that was what Brookfield reserved it for. It isn't too far from Airdrie, 15-20 minutes by car and probably less with the improvements they want to make to Airdrie-Calgary road connections.

The tweet I saw says $1.2B spending on Calgary but split over a number of areas and for the Green Line primarily just for land acquisition.

But the lessons of the WLRT should have been to be more conservative like in the previous LRT lines. Instead they double-downed on the optimism and didn't make any hard trade-offs in the beginning so it needed to be reactively revised downwards as reality set it. And at least much of the WLRT...

But the project is broke, that's why it's been cut down 20 km in length, and made the extraordinary decision to go at-grade on Centre Street N to 16th Avenue with an at-grade station there. Pretty much everything related to the Green Line has seen its corners cut, except the Shepard maintenance...