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  1. outoftheice

    Green Line LRT | ?m | ?s | Calgary Transit

    The next chapter in the saga begins. Can't see why the province would say no to this but I never thought the province would do what they did either... Letter from the Twitter pic that doesn't display in the embedded tweet:
  2. outoftheice

    Green Line LRT | ?m | ?s | Calgary Transit

    Good clip on the reality of the situation Council was facing. These folks recommended a wind-down despite knowing it was going to cost them their jobs. With all the political rhetoric out there on this project, the Green Line project team showed some remarkable professional character and spoke...
  3. outoftheice

    Green Line LRT | ?m | ?s | Calgary Transit

    I'll be even more generous than that and say the time to ask for reviews of the alignment were this spring when the Green Line team began meeting with the province to describe to them the direction this was all going. Better yet, maybe the province could have just opened their wallets a bit...
  4. outoftheice

    Green Line LRT | ?m | ?s | Calgary Transit

    Good recap of how we got to where we are today although I feel it is being pretty generous to the UCP's actions over this last month. Also an interesting quote in there from a pre-UCP McIvor...
  5. outoftheice

    Green Line LRT | ?m | ?s | Calgary Transit

    Watching Council today we heard that it took 3 years to hire the right people and create the institutional knowledge necessary to deliver a project of this scale. Those people are now out of jobs and few of them will be sticking around so instead of creating that environment where future...
  6. outoftheice

    Green Line LRT | ?m | ?s | Calgary Transit

    Some fun food for thought... All the UCP's messaging is having this new SE LRT plan connect to their new Grand Central Station that everyone is assuming will be in East Village because that is where the UCP wants it to be. But they are also paying consultants to develop a regional rail plan...
  7. outoftheice

    Green Line LRT | ?m | ?s | Calgary Transit

    I don't see it as a disingenuous argument. The low floor LRVs are longer because low floor LRVs are designed to be modular where length can be adjusted easily depending on what the customer wants. To my knowledge, there are no high floor LRV designs that are comparable and so making a longer...
  8. outoftheice

    Green Line LRT | ?m | ?s | Calgary Transit

    I genuinely don't understand people's obsession with the need for high floor cars... 2 Urbos LRVs hold more people than 3.5 traditional Siemen's cars. Do people just think that because the interior of something looks like a subway car it must have the capacity of a subway car? The whole fleet...
  9. outoftheice

    Green Line LRT | ?m | ?s | Calgary Transit

    Just wanted to repost this paragraph by @Ramsayite because it is the absolute truth. We are chucking out decade of city planning work and replacing it with a half-assed plan drawn up in the span of 3 months that reflect the musings of a provincial government that is just thinking about the...
  10. outoftheice

    Green Line LRT | ?m | ?s | Calgary Transit

    Fair enough. Your comments made me go back and look to where I got that impression. It turned out it was a Rick Bell article talking about building to Seton. In my mind I thought it was a direct quote but re-reading it was Bell's summary of what was said so the UCP's messaging may have been...
  11. outoftheice

    Green Line LRT | ?m | ?s | Calgary Transit

    So for the last week or so, the UCP was saying that their intervention was going to allow a train to be built down to Seton. The premier said as much to the media just yesterday. Today the minister in charge of delivering the project is now saying Shepard. Maybe more. So instead of getting Eau...
  12. outoftheice

    Green Line LRT | ?m | ?s | Calgary Transit

    Why is spending $6 billion ideological? I would argue that those saying $6 billion is somehow some magic number of doom arr the ones being ideological and clinging to some old timey, small city, prairie conservatism. Is it a big cost number? Yes. Is it a big, complex project? Also yes. It...
  13. outoftheice

    Green Line LRT | ?m | ?s | Calgary Transit

    Not only is it crazy that the premier doesn't mention downtown once in this clip, she also prioritizes the new event centre over her very own grand central station idea when she gives her answer. Is this entire thing really just about building a train from the 'burbs to the Flames games because...
  14. outoftheice

    Green Line LRT | ?m | ?s | Calgary Transit

    This is the same problem I have with the Jim Gray approach to planning... it is a very simplistic, black and white view of what Calgary was 20 years ago. Do a lot of people in the Beltline live there because they work downtown and want to walk to work? Yes. But many also live there now because...
  15. outoftheice

    Green Line LRT | ?m | ?s | Calgary Transit

    This is what the Jim Gray group has been pitching and given that the premier and minister have been parroting the Jim Gray group's talking points almost verbatim, my guess is this is what the province is going to deliver. It will be a South East LRT that dead-ends at an elevated station behind...
  16. outoftheice

    Green Line LRT | ?m | ?s | Calgary Transit

    This article features a nice overview of the lay of the land as the dust starts to settle... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/green-line-lrt-alberta-control-devin-dreeshen-1.7314983
  17. outoftheice

    Green Line LRT | ?m | ?s | Calgary Transit

    Very well said. If you hate driving in the GTA you're going to hate the Calgary of 2035 and we will be able to trace the reason why back to today's decision by the UCP.
  18. outoftheice

    Green Line LRT | ?m | ?s | Calgary Transit

    They manifested their BS warnings into reality. The City did listen to them 6 years ago... back when Gray was engaging in good faith. His group's top ask was an independent board of experts to deliver the project because they were convinced those experts would agree with them about dropping the...
  19. outoftheice

    Green Line LRT | ?m | ?s | Calgary Transit

    The answer seems to be none. The cost of winding down the project will essentially drain the rest of the City of Calgary's contribution and the scope of changes being demanded by the Province turns this into a new project which means the $1.5 billion from the federal government disappears too...
  20. outoftheice

    Green Line LRT | ?m | ?s | Calgary Transit

    André Chabot has been a long time critic of Green Line on City Council and yet he absolutely nails the stupidity of the UCP's moves with his quotes in this article. https://livewirecalgary.com/2024/09/03/minister-dreeshen-letter-fund-calgary-new-green-line/

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