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Yeah, and it's about $200M/km from 16th to 64th Avenue (about $1.1B from RouteAhead estimate for 5.2 km of track and 4 stations). Remarkably, it's still about $200M/km from 64th to North Pointe ($1.2B for 5.7 km of track and 3 stations). trtcttc is right to be concerned about the construction...

There was lip service given back then about the "importance" of the NC but they haven't even bothered with token gestures like declaring 16th to Beddington as an unfunded, unknown time-frame Stage 2, or completing the design plans or acquiring land on Centre Street. Anybody see the North leg...

Calgary would still be mired in West LRT work. But the real problem is that the Green Line team couldn't find a way to justify all that spending for mostly empty trains to the SE back then.

Yes, getting to Beddington or even 64th would make the Green Line a fundamentally much better system. And that's why I consider it a massive mistake in 2017 that the Green Line team didn't keep it at Beddington-Shepard, the supposed core of the Green Line, even if that meant increasing the...

When a project has gone so over-budget and delayed, people will have different ideas on what it should look like and what the best usage of that money to obtain the greatest transit benefit (ridership). The Green Line's problem isn't a lack of TOD, it's that it can't reach the ridership heavy...

It's possible that those properties wouldn't be needed if they run out of money for Phase 2 of Stage 1.

I've noticed that too. I think that the delays to the Green Line has really affected its development, LRT was supposed to be an important part of it (even when it was coming from the Nose Creek direction) and now they have no idea what to do. They haven't even bothered to update the area...

That commercial area, Aurora Business Park, is really the only area with the available space. But the City of Calgary has lofty mixed development plans for it and hasn't been keen on giving up its land there for other purposes, it didn't consider it for the maintenance yard for the Green Line...

Yeah, most likely that piece of land in Livingston, that was what Brookfield reserved it for. It isn't too far from Airdrie, 15-20 minutes by car and probably less with the improvements they want to make to Airdrie-Calgary road connections.

The tweet I saw says $1.2B spending on Calgary but split over a number of areas and for the Green Line primarily just for land acquisition.

But the lessons of the WLRT should have been to be more conservative like in the previous LRT lines. Instead they double-downed on the optimism and didn't make any hard trade-offs in the beginning so it needed to be reactively revised downwards as reality set it. And at least much of the WLRT...

But the project is broke, that's why it's been cut down 20 km in length, and made the extraordinary decision to go at-grade on Centre Street N to 16th Avenue with an at-grade station there. Pretty much everything related to the Green Line has seen its corners cut, except the Shepard maintenance...

Another thing you would have is flexibility on where you built the track and when you could start service. By deciding that a giant new yard must be built at Shepard, you're forced to build 18 km of track between DT and the SE (basically the same length as the southern portion of the Red Line is...

They may want to avoid confirming that until Stage 1 is well underway.

Even if the capital costs are funded, there's still significant operating costs. Earlier estimates were $40 million/year in net operating costs with ridership at 60k-65K/day. If ridership is only 30K/day then you're looking at $55-$60 million/year, a significant new cost considering the City...

I don't think that's fair to Gray or Mckendrick. They oppose what Stage 1 of the Green Line has become and are offering their own ideas. As they say, success has many fathers, failure is an orphan but also with many people saying that they can do better. IMO basically it boils down to how fast...

Option B was that middle-ground option, but the lack of any savings even using the cheap option probably means that project cost estimates continued to go up far beyond what people had expected in the beginning of the project. There are benefits to the non-car experience as well, the...

They've always wanted to tunnel under the river to past 20th Avenue, that option was rated much higher than anything else they looked at. Option A - Street-level LRT from Chinatown to Crescent Heights on existing Centre Street Bridge, underground at 2 St SW Option B - Tunnel under Centre...

The SE segment goes through long stretches of transit ridership wilderness and nobody ever complains about that. McKendrick dealt with the funding circumstances of his era where billions of dollars weren't available all at once and therefore had to say no to some things, unlike the original...

Yeah, that was the answer given by Fabiola MacIntyre in the 2017 meetings, to save it for development purposes. But as you point out, there hasn't been much at all. It's always been questionable to me on how they only bothered to look in the SE and when hard decisions had to be made...