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They also said the same things back in 2017; but no new funding from Alberta or Canada has been given and the core continues to shrink. In 2015, the "core" was Beddington-Shepard, then 16th Avenue-Shepard. https://dailyhive.com/calgary/green-line-lrt-new-route-2017

The closest North American project in terms of cost and cost increases I can think of is Honolulu's Skyline which also started at around $4B and continually escalated to around $12B for the full 20-mile elevated line (and is not fully funded). But at least Honolulu can claim being isolated and...

If they're boring the tunnel, there might not be any better/cheaper place to exit. I assume they're having long discussion/begging CPKC for their land.

The UCP isn't the only reason for the delays as other things that were happening from 2019-2021 (not even counting COVID). In June 2019, the DT tunnel had to be scaled back and the new plan was only approved by Council in June 2020. The Green Line board was also being setup to take over...

Why can't it be a spectrum of reasons, including thinking that the ROI of the Green Line no longer justifies the investment. One can strongly support a Green Line that's <$5B and stretches from Panorama Hills to Seton, then grudgingly approve something that goes from 16th Avenue to Shepard to...

I assume what they meant was $8B for 16th Avenue to Shepard with the available funding now only enough to go from Eau Claire to Ogden. The 2015 report mentioned that they looked at a few other sites in the SE, with a focus on CP lands in Ogden. It was probably rejected at the time because it...

It's funny how your back-of-the-napkin calculation yields a number that's probably not too far off from the correct figure. Yeah the experience from the West LRT and even Edmonton's Valley Line SE should have given them pause about being able to do it for <$5B. And while we'll probably never...

But IMO that blame lies directly on the Green Line and City because of their initial optimistic promises and their poor management of expectations over time. With full funding of $4.6B the Green Line was supposed to be constructed essentially in one stage and even when troubles mounted they were...

There will be more money, but will there be political will to direct most (and possibly all of it) again back to the Green Line in 2032, 2033 when nearly an entire generation of attention and transit funding (and bad news consuming political capital) has already been spent on it? I'd expect the...

It sounds like July 30 is the day of reckoning now:

The SE has low service/capita and is the rationale for the Green Line to the SE, but is that under-served relative to demand, or are SE residents simply less interested in using transit? The immediate need argument comes from early Green Line related documents. The 2016 Green Line Business...

But does the full Green Line, from Panorma Hills to Seton even justify $10B (which is already the likely pricetag) in spending for maybe 100K-140K ridership/day? Or is it even justified to spend over $5B on initial portions of the Green Line that deliberately ignores the area of the most...

You're not inspired by their distinctive flowing forms based on a chinook cloud arch?

Yes, I think that's exactly how they come up with those numbers. But in other tables they still count the North BRT for ridership and catchment areas for A2 despite not including their OpEx costs while C2's number appear to just be for 64th-Shepard. Hence why I mentioned the bias, they had to...

In 2020, the Green Line released a report on several possible alignments that could be selected after the original 2017 plan was no longer feasible. Despite its obvious bias towards the current plan (A2), I'd have to say that the plan closest to your idea (C2) was the better choice. For around...

The future phases would definitely need provincial money as going north is expensive. If the river crossing is killed now a future phase from Eau Claire to 64th Avenue is probably going to cost more than $2B. And the City is pretty tapped out paying off its share of the capital and financing...

I think they'll just cut the river crossing, that should free up enough money to get past McKenzie Towne (and be enough controversy for the time being). I don't think the Eau Claire station will be touched unless the tunneling costs goes disastrously over-budget. Though the longer the NC...

That might have helped some, but the Green Line had a lot of new challenging things for Calgary like the deep tunnel through DT and under the Bow River. I think it also didn't help that funding for the GL came by pretty easily, therefore the initial planning never really care about...

Good question. I assume that it's something based on the RouteAhead plans from 2012 but unfortunately those documents no longer seem to be available online anymore. This page gives a brief summary of what their plans were and sounds like a re-allocation of roads (and some sidewalks) for BRT...

Even more annoying for NC Calgary is that the SETWAY was skipped because they said BRT wasn't adequate for the Centre Street N corridor in the medium term. And now, it probably won't even have that in the long term. I suspect the $500M ask is a bone to throw to NC Calgary for when the Bow...