Broadway on 17th | 156m | 47s | Vesta | Zeidler

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trtcttc said:
Vesta has this one and Aspen Village (15 buildings...) in Springbank, both massive projects. Maybe it's a BC thing but they've bet big on the Alberta market.


An underappreciated part of living near 17/Beltline in Calgary vs those other cities is how close you are to everything else. Places like King West, Queen West are great for retail/restaurants but the trade off is how far and inconvenient it is to get to other areas of the city. Let's say you have family/friends that live in the suburbs or a different side of the city, or want to do a hike, you're sitting through lots of traffic on the DT roads/DVP/401 or taking the TTC + Go + regional transit to get where you need to go. Whereas living in the beltline, you have the restaurants and shops nearby but you can also reach all corners of the city within half an hour on the weekend with a car.
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This is absolutely true. The south edge of Beltline is more walkable than anywhere in Toronto I swear. I got my doctor & dentist, grocery, barber, gym, liquor, clothing stores, best buy, crappy tire and of course my downtown office all within 18 mins of my apartment!

And to everyone else, I was talking about trendiness and street vibe not walkability.
 
DiscoStu said:
In many ways yes...but I think there was also some really solid stuff being build in the 2000s. Projects like Arriva, Brava/Encore, Colours, Chocolate, 205 Riverfront, Point on the Bow etc. still hold up really well... better than many of the projects from the last 5 years. Often better facade materials, use of curtain wall, and fewer random color squares too.

Of course there was also plenty of Pointe of View/London/Sasso/Vetro/Lacaille garbage, but let's not talk about that...

The podium of this project looks like it should be pretty decent, but I don't think the towers themselves are anything to write home about.
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Not to get off topic, but what's wrong with sasso vetro? I thought it was just location, but you're suggesting the issue is the building itself?
 
Rusteez42 said:
This is absolutely true. The south edge of Beltline is more walkable than anywhere in Toronto I swear. I got my doctor & dentist, grocery, barber, gym, liquor, clothing stores, best buy, crappy tire and of course my downtown office all within 18 mins of my apartment!

And to everyone else, I was talking about trendiness and street vibe not walkability.
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That's probably more just the people than anything urbanism can change. It's like how even in Montreal, things are much more trendy than Toronto. As more downtown towers go up and attracting younger professionals, maybe that will change in time.
 
trtcttc said:
That's probably more just the people than anything urbanism can change. It's like how even in Montreal, things are much more trendy than Toronto. As more downtown towers go up and attracting younger professionals, maybe that will change in time.
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I agree. One difference I've noticed between Quebec/Ontario and Alberta is how much more people use the parks in Quebec and Ontario. I find that few people lounge around or spend the day lying on the grass in Calgary parks, while it's quite common in Ottawa, Toronto, and Montreal. That to me, speaks to a cultural or attitude difference rather than any distinction in infrastructure.
 
BigWoofer said:
I agree. One difference I've noticed between Quebec/Ontario and Alberta is how much more people use the parks in Quebec and Ontario. I find that few people lounge around or spend the day lying on the grass in Calgary parks, while it's quite common in Ottawa, Toronto, and Montreal. That to me, speaks to a cultural or attitude difference rather than any distinction in infrastructure.
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Name a nice piece of grass to lay on in Calgary. We have parks but not those kinds of parks, maybe outside of Prince's Island Park near the stage but even then.
 
CalgaryTiger said:
Name a nice piece of grass to lay on in Calgary. We have parks but not those kinds of parks, maybe outside of Prince's Island Park near the stage but even then.
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What? We have plenty. Riley Park, Rotary Park, Murdoch Park, Prince's Island (as you mentioned), Confluence. Riley and Murdoch in particular. There are people there in the summer, but a similar park in Toronto would be filled. I have no evidence for this but I think the lack of car ownership in downtown Toronto makes a big difference. it's much harder to go on a hike, get out of the city without cars, so people gather in parks. Central Park in NY is crazy packed. Here, people might just go to the mountains, lakes, etc. if they want to get some nature.

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Time of day definitely matters, but you can browse through all the Riley Park photos or go there in the summer, there's people near the pool and playgrounds, but it's just not the same as similar parks in Toronto.
 
I find that certain parks in Calgary can be very busy, but not much in the way of casual lying in the grass. Parks that have picnic areas like Bowness, Shouldice, Confed, Edworthy, etc.. get very busy but more in the way of family or group gatherings, and usually people driving to the parks.
The parks with nice grass where people actually lie out in the grass are mainly Riley Park, Prince’s Island and Central. Those parks tend to be close enough for people to walk to and the grass is good enough to throw down a blanket.
 
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