Scotia Place | 36.85m | 11s | CSEC | HOK

Do you support the proposal for the new arena?

  • Yes

    Votes: 119 69.2%

  • No

    Votes: 42 24.4%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 11 6.4%
  • Total voters
    172
Now, along with this, concerts were mentioned as part of what I assume will be some kind of World Cup of Hockey adjacent festival. I wonder what additional venues could be used, maybe the BMO for some other kind of activation. Maybe the Nutrien Events Centre could work well for a concert series. Also, I don't love that Stampede Trail could be unfinished for this marque event, I hope as part of it there were some winks and nods as to what could be going in along there. It isn't a big section so doesn't actually need to be much, but they would want to get started soon. I also worry the Saddledome will be half gone... But maybe not, the Flames would be a surprise to make the playoffs next season so demolition of the Saddledome could start in April. That's plenty of time, isn't it?
 
Demolition of the Saddledome will take quite a while, I'd be surprised if they were even started in Summer 2028. It will take months just to move the teams from one building to the next, they they have to strip out the seats, plumbing and wiring and all that, then they could start on the demolition itself. I bet they wait until after this to even start actual demolition (assuming we are the winning bid of course).
 
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The Familia said:
Why join with Edmonton? We could use the Saddledome and have a final send off for the old barn. Saddledome could host the lesser games and the new place would have all the Canada and playoff games.
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Becomes an economic thing...too many games in one market to sell tickets. These games wont be in Europe, the NHL break is only going to be 7-9 days, not going to send players across the world and back again in that time frame like the summer version.
 
Tothewest said:
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Becomes an economic thing...too many games in one market to sell tickets. These games wont be in Europe, the NHL break is only going to be 7-9 days, not going to send players across the world and back again in that time frame like the summer version.
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The NHL explicitly says it'll be in Europe. It is the same time frame as the Olympics. Maybe we should start an email campaign about excluding Edmonton from the bid ;)

  • World Cup of Hockey 2028 will take place in North America and Europe with exact locations to be determined through a host city bid process.
  • If your city is interested in hosting World Cup of Hockey 2028, please email wch2028@playfly.com.
https://www.nhl.com/events/2027-28/world-cup-of-hockey (sidenote: it's kind of insane this is an official NHL website, and they ask you to email them if you want to host.... I had to double/triple check the domain was nhl.com)
 
trtcttc said:
The NHL explicitly says it'll be in Europe. It is the same time frame as the Olympics. Maybe we should start an email campaign about excluding Edmonton from the bid ;)

  • World Cup of Hockey 2028 will take place in North America and Europe with exact locations to be determined through a host city bid process.
  • If your city is interested in hosting World Cup of Hockey 2028, please email wch2028@playfly.com.
https://www.nhl.com/events/2027-28/world-cup-of-hockey (sidenote: it's kind of insane this is an official NHL website, and they ask you to email them if you want to host.... I had to double/triple check the domain was nhl.com)
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interesting, misread that somewhere. Seems crazy to force the Euro players to travel that far and expect them to perform at a high level.
 
Tothewest said:
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Becomes an economic thing...too many games in one market to sell tickets. These games wont be in Europe, the NHL break is only going to be 7-9 days, not going to send players across the world and back again in that time frame like the summer version.
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This isn't correct at all. As @trtcttc noted the official NHL release explicitly says one location in NA and one in Europe. The break will be 12 days long. "Games are expected to be played over 12 days and include 17 games in two host cities, to be selected in March 2026"
 
dazzlingdave88 said:
This isn't correct at all. As @trtcttc noted the official NHL release explicitly says one location in NA and one in Europe. The break will be 12 days long. "Games are expected to be played over 12 days and include 17 games in two host cities, to be selected in March 2026"
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easy guy...my point was moreso that it isnt an 18 day olympic break...but as i noted above, i see they have commited to a Europe host city which i wasnt aware of. Something still doesn't make sense, because the release also says 1 North America and 1 Europe, so a joint bid doesnt square with that release.
 
Tothewest said:
easy guy...my point was moreso that it isnt an 18 day olympic break...but as i noted above, i see they have commited to a Europe host city which i wasnt aware of. Something still doesn't make sense, because the release also says 1 North America and 1 Europe, so a joint bid doesnt square with that release.
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Apologies for sounding crass, I was just pointing out that literally nothing in that post was factually correct. They won't have problems selling tickets to the big games. And just like the World Juniors, the games that feature teams not from the location hosting, will have smaller attendance or more likely, the tickets will be sold as part package. (In order to watch Canada, you will have to buy tickets for all the games being hosted in that location, like they did with the World Juniors in 2012)

You mentioned the NHL caring about players travelling and squeezing games into a tight window, but you have to remember that the NHL didn't want this. The players specifically bargaining for it in the last collective agreement. Bettman is looking out for owners interests, owners don't want their players getting hurt. It could cost them playoff revenue in the millions.

I actually think the NHL will pick somewhere out east to help ease travel with 2 hours less of time change and access to more markets in a closer proximity. That will be their logistical olive branch.
 
Things can definitely change, that release and that website doesn't look like some iron-clad guarantee of the format, it's two years away. The travel to Europe for some round robin, and then BACK for the finals does seem a bit excessive for the European teams. I think this is for NHL players only, which I'm not even sure how many can dress a full team outside of Sweden/Finland. I wonder if the compromise is to hold the tournament in one location but have games that start at noon so they're watchable for European audiences.
 
dazzlingdave88 said:
Apologies for sounding crass, I was just pointing out that literally nothing in that post was factually correct. They won't have problems selling tickets to the big games. And just like the World Juniors, the games that feature teams not from the location hosting, will have smaller attendance or more likely, the tickets will be sold as part package. (In order to watch Canada, you will have to buy tickets for all the games being hosted in that location, like they did with the World Juniors in 2012)

You mentioned the NHL caring about players travelling and squeezing games into a tight window, but you have to remember that the NHL didn't want this. The players specifically bargaining for it in the last collective agreement. Bettman is looking out for owners interests, owners don't want their players getting hurt. It could cost them playoff revenue in the millions.

I actually think the NHL will pick somewhere out east to help ease travel with 2 hours less of time change and access to more markets in a closer proximity. That will be their logistical olive branch.
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My point on the economics was someone mentioned using Scotia Place and the Saddledome for all event games, that would very much be a challenge ticket wise. The event only works with 95% tickets sold to all games in large arenas, they wont accept a "World Junior B Pool" economic model, event is too expensive to put on. The NHL 100% wants a World Cup, its their event, with full promotion from clubs and complete content/broadcast control. They dont like the Olympics because its an 18 day break in the season, with almost zero content/broadcast control.
 
Tothewest said:
My point on the economics was someone mentioned using Scotia Place and the Saddledome for all event games, that would very much be a challenge ticket wise. The event only works with 95% tickets sold to all games in large arenas, they wont accept a "World Junior B Pool" economic model, event is too expensive to put on. The NHL 100% wants a World Cup, its their event, with full promotion from clubs and complete content/broadcast control. They dont like the Olympics because its an 18 day break in the season, with almost zero content/broadcast control.
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I had tickets to the World Juniors here in 2012. All games in Calgary where held at the Saddledome. There was no option to buy individual games. They get 95% tickets sold by only allowing you to buy tickets to the Canada games by forcing you to buy a package that includes all games played in the pool here. Crowds were light for non-Canadian games, but there is no solution to that problem and it doesn't matter because those tickets were sold even though people didn't show up.

While I agree that the NHL likes the World Cup for the reason you stated above, the World Cup wouldn't exist if the players weren't allowed to play in the Olympics. That is their holy grail. The World Cup is infrequent and currently seen as a less prestigious tournament, although with the right marketing, maybe that can change.

The players were the ones that initiated the return. Elliotte Friedman consistently says so in his 32 Thoughts Podcast. In the press release talking about the return of the World Cup from last year ago Bettman also said “International best-on-best competition is very important to our Players – representing their countries on the ice is in their DNA "
 
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