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Water main break discussion

DougB said:
Healthcare is a mess across Canada. Alberta metrics are middle of the pack. What is Danielle Smith supposed to do? Funding has increased far in excess of inflation plus population growth for decades
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Middle of the pack is highly debatable, and even if it's true it's absolutely embarrassing and inexcusable given we have the youngest population and highest incomes.

Better hope you don't get one of the most painful cancers:

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Here's a question regarding cancer surgery wait times, not related to the above debate regarding health care, but in general with the new cancer centre now opened will the wait times go down? or is a case of a larger building, but the same amount of staff?
 
trtcttc said:
It wasn't like the city was warning council repeatedly this pipe is about to fail. If they did, they wouldn't have had to source the pipe from San Diego last summer.
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This has always been a pretty clear smoking gun to me that BPSFM simply wasn't considered an urgent critical issue, but rather an important back burner issue that would need to be looked at in more detail...eventually.

Which was obviously very wrong, but I can understand how/why they landed there given the challenges involved in actually doing a detailed inspection. The only thing I find actually inexcusable here is not having those replacement parts on hand (and even that I can somewhat understand given we have just 8kms of pipe in that size). It's a bit like not having proper fire extinguisher(s) on hand in your house, and I'm sure many people are far from perfect in that regard.
 
lemongrab said:
Middle of the pack is highly debatable, and even if it's true it's absolutely embarrassing and inexcusable given we have the youngest population and highest incomes.

Better hope you don't get one of the most painful cancers:

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Here is a website with cross country comparisons. The oldest/youngest population and income can't be taken in isolation. A younger population also means investing in schools, recreation, etc. that an older population might not have to. There's also regional differences where rural populations cost significantly more to deliver healthcare, Alberta has higher cancer rates and NICU usage per capita in the country, etc. It's hard to take age, income and say those are the only drivers.

I think more needs to be done in healthcare, but it isn't just "spending more money". BC is doing that to improve healthcare, they're also running larger and larger deficits, making future generations pay for the care of seniors today is hardly fair. We need privatization, but we need it in a way that can expand supply. Not privatizing end service delivery because that will simply increase rent seeking behaviour, but to privatize training such that we have more physician supply. There are hundreds of very qualified people that can go to med school that never get the chance to.

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lemongrab said:
This has always been a pretty clear smoking gun to me that BPSFM simply wasn't considered an urgent critical issue, but rather an important back burner issue that would need to be looked at in more detail...eventually.

Which was obviously very wrong, but I can understand how/why they landed there given the challenges involved in actually doing a detailed inspection. The only thing I find actually inexcusable here is not having those replacement parts on hand (and even that I can somewhat understand given we have just 8kms of pipe in that size). It's a bit like not having proper fire extinguisher(s) on hand in your house, and I'm sure many people are far from perfect in that regard.
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I think it's hard to think in isolation and expect the city to have everything on hand at all times. Say today we had a massive sinkhole, a bridge collapse, or any other type of disaster, I don't think it's reasonable for the city to have everything ready at all times, and it'd be very expensive. The fact that after the break last year, they installed monitoring, which didn't catch this break, yet they had the people, tools, materials to fix it immediately is a good sign that the city is working as it should.
 
Looks like there is going to be a ton of disruption in my area this year, city is blocking off a big section of the green space near the new Shaganappi Pump Station in North Edworthy, they have a big section of the brand new bike path in Parkdale blocked with sandbags and I saw a ton of City vehicles in the area this morning. Oh joy!
 
Hopefully! This needs to get done, it just will screw up my cycling to work and might cut me off from the river. I'll definitely lose my water a few times and might be on a boil advisory a few times too.
 
Well not to compound things but sounds like there might be more pipe problems on the horizon.. Not a side effect I would have anticipated either.


Specifically, he points to updated toilets that have been effective in saving water. The trade-off is with less water transporting sewage materials, it's creating more sour gas oxidizing into sulfuric acid that can eat away at sewer pipes. Chu says he’s seen pipes growing thinner, leading to significant cave-ins, and it’s a problem he’s not sure how to solve.
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