CBBarnett
Senior Member
On the 17th Ave & Richmond Road intersection, it's unique not just for the bicycle signal design, but also the one-off cycle pattern.
The issue is to cross 17th Ave on the east crosswalk. When NB Richmond gets a green signal, the walk signs remains "Don't Walk", setup like a standard beg button. Uniquely the walk light can give you the "Walk" signal on push of the button, but after the cars are already on their automatic green. Leads to tons of risk as drivers see the "Don't Walk" signal at first, but then randomly turns to walk 15 seconds into their green.
It's almost like a lagging, button-activated walk signal. Totally bizarre and I am still convinced is actually just an error. I have submitted multiple 3-1-1s but they kind of fizzle out, maybe it's hard to explain why it's so weird to the signals team?
This is one of the examples where for whatever reason, we tried to do something complicated and unique rather than just standardize the intersection to be predictable and without buttons. All the signage and complexity would go away if we just did two rules:
The issue is to cross 17th Ave on the east crosswalk. When NB Richmond gets a green signal, the walk signs remains "Don't Walk", setup like a standard beg button. Uniquely the walk light can give you the "Walk" signal on push of the button, but after the cars are already on their automatic green. Leads to tons of risk as drivers see the "Don't Walk" signal at first, but then randomly turns to walk 15 seconds into their green.
It's almost like a lagging, button-activated walk signal. Totally bizarre and I am still convinced is actually just an error. I have submitted multiple 3-1-1s but they kind of fizzle out, maybe it's hard to explain why it's so weird to the signals team?
This is one of the examples where for whatever reason, we tried to do something complicated and unique rather than just standardize the intersection to be predictable and without buttons. All the signage and complexity would go away if we just did two rules:
- no right on red.
- For NB/SB Richmond Road, bikes and peds get 3 second lead on green automatically as part of every cycle.