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Alberta Provincial Politics

If an election was held today, who would you vote for?

  • UCP

    Votes: 9 13.4%
  • NDP

    Votes: 49 73.1%
  • Liberal

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Alberta Party

    Votes: 4 6.0%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 5 7.5%

  • Total voters
    67
Remember that GDP Per Capita in the United States is ludicrously screwed by the residency of the greatest wealth hoarders in human history. They dont even come close to reflecting either the quality of life nor the average income of the average person.
This is why, if you scroll up from the bottom it takes until you get to Michigan to find a state that isn't a backwater. I am honestly surprised at Michigan's placement so low with its manufacturing, maybe because its climate means there are not many wealth hoarders.

Good reminder GDP per capita is only one measure of many that can be used to understand how a jurisdiction's economy and residents are doing.
 
This is why, if you scroll up from the bottom it takes until you get to Michigan to find a state that isn't a backwater. I am honestly surprised at Michigan's placement so low with its manufacturing, maybe because its climate means there are not many wealth hoarders.

Good reminder GDP per capita is only one measure of many that can be used to understand how a jurisdiction's economy and residents are doing.
Manufacturing is low because its not a high productivity sector. A factory workers output is somewhat constrained, while software, a worker on the Microsoft Office apps team is probably generating $10m in GDP a year. North Dakota being so high basically shows an energy economy would place higher the less diversified they are. As Alberta's economy diversifies, the new industries are going to have lower GDP than the oil and gas industry, but no one would say Alberta shouldn't diversify even if it means falling down this ranking.

All of these measures on economic output, I'm not sure is necessarily correlated with living conditions in a place. Canada has lower GDP per capita, but our wealth levels are only slightly lower than many of the US. Sure, a tech company like Google, generates their GDP in California, but the actual benefit of that GDP is spread around the world to its shareholders.
 
This is why, if you scroll up from the bottom it takes until you get to Michigan to find a state that isn't a backwater.

Montana and Idaho would like a word with you out behind the shed! Lol

Otherwise, yeah. But its worth remembering that the reason QOL declined in many of those states is the loss of employment and industry during the globalization era. Not everyone has the chops to move to wall street or just code bro, and a lot of people got left behind.

Good reminder GDP per capita is only one measure of many that can be used to understand how a jurisdiction's economy and residents are doing.

You aren't wrong about that, this remains my favorite way of explaining GDP

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But its still a metric.

The top five states have a huge amount of tech and finance activity, so its easy to see why their numbers skew high, but then north Dakota at 6??

I have to wonder, if some of the lower numbers in the provinces couldn't be attributed in part to the recently dropped interprovincial trade barriers.

While laws and taxation can vary by state, I'm not sure the US ever had similar barriers in place?
 
Montana and Idaho would like a word
I was more or less thinking of backwater from the perspective of other Americans. I used to go to Montana before Trump came in and have family in Idaho, so I actually think both are great.

And for sure, it is a means to measure something. Does that something reflect the situation on the ground, specifically GDP per capita? Probably not. I also think about Alberta's unemployment rate, it is much higher than other Provinces, but I don't think that measure reflects the situation on the ground and the health of the province's economy like GDP per capita does.

Which to bring it back to Provincial politics is why I think it is so weird that the UCP is doing busy work with legislation and doing things that no one, but a small base, asked for... License plates, anti-trans legislation, protecting free-speech rights from job-specific governing body oversight while simultaneously removing the right to strike.

The "I don't want to look in the mirror" anti-DEI training thing is weird too; sure, as a white male, did I feel an awkward guilt that I did nothing specific wrong, but people like me are the issue when I took DEI training? Yes. But in the training, I also was given someone else's perspective and that gave me understanding why the training matters.
 
I was more or less thinking of backwater from the perspective of other Americans. I used to go to Montana before Trump came in and have family in Idaho, so I actually think both are great.

Yeah both states are beautiful places to explore, although admittedly not an urbanist mecca.

Which to bring it back to Provincial politics is why I think it is so weird that the UCP is doing busy work with legislation and doing things that no one, but a small base, asked for... License plates, anti-trans legislation, protecting free-speech rights from job-specific governing body oversight while simultaneously removing the right to strike.

They certainly seem to have some odd priorities, but I'd think part of that is many of the things that really matter right now aren't under the provinces jurisdiction, its a fed thing to fix.

But everyone still has to keep the media circus fed.. Just look at all the cringe media events from Ontario's Ford and friends.
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Useful in any way? No.
But it sure keeps people distracted..
 
Which to bring it back to Provincial politics is why I think it is so weird that the UCP is doing busy work with legislation and doing things that no one, but a small base, asked for... License plates, anti-trans legislation, protecting free-speech rights from job-specific governing body oversight while simultaneously removing the right to strike.

The "I don't want to look in the mirror" anti-DEI training thing is weird too; sure, as a white male, did I feel an awkward guilt that I did nothing specific wrong, but people like me are the issue when I took DEI training? Yes. But in the training, I also was given someone else's perspective and that gave me understanding why the training matters.
Well the UCP convention is coming up. I do think sometimes when we think government aren't focused on the "important" issues because of things like license plate, or when the Liberals redesigned the passport. The government is big with lots of departments. The workers responsible for license plates aren't going to work on healthcare, so it's not really like doing one thing instead of another, just lots of things happening across multiple departments.
 
Well the UCP convention is coming up. I do think sometimes when we think government aren't focused on the "important" issues because of things like license plate, or when the Liberals redesigned the passport. The government is big with lots of departments. The workers responsible for license plates aren't going to work on healthcare, so it's not really like doing one thing instead of another, just lots of things happening across multiple departments.
My point was nobody asked for a new license plate. It was also pretty poorly executed by the government department that did it. The mountains are only one, actually pretty small, slice of the province. Taking that choice to a public vote and having that alone determine your decision was a bad idea for people undertaking a make-work project. A hoodoos license plate would've been cool, a pumpjack license plate probably would've made some people feel seen, and you can pretty easily take the existing template and do an Elks, Stampeders, Roughnecks, Hitmen, Surge, Cavalry or whatever team plate. They'll have to peel that triangle A "Alberta" plate out of my cold dead hands.

This is going to be a gong show.
As long as the economy keeps humming along, unless this PC Party becomes a thing, we'll be right back to initiatives no one asked for government.
 
I was more or less thinking of backwater from the perspective of other Americans. I used to go to Montana before Trump came in and have family in Idaho, so I actually think both are great.

And for sure, it is a means to measure something. Does that something reflect the situation on the ground, specifically GDP per capita? Probably not. I also think about Alberta's unemployment rate, it is much higher than other Provinces, but I don't think that measure reflects the situation on the ground and the health of the province's economy like GDP per capita does.

Which to bring it back to Provincial politics is why I think it is so weird that the UCP is doing busy work with legislation and doing things that no one, but a small base, asked for... License plates, anti-trans legislation, protecting free-speech rights from job-specific governing body oversight while simultaneously removing the right to strike.

The "I don't want to look in the mirror" anti-DEI training thing is weird too; sure, as a white male, did I feel an awkward guilt that I did nothing specific wrong, but people like me are the issue when I took DEI training? Yes. But in the training, I also was given someone else's perspective and that gave me understanding why the training matters.
I'd be far more sympathetic to the random, niche policy interests of the provincial government if they made any improvement on the major portfolios in their now 6 years in office. The biggest ones for me are health care, public education, car and home insurance and day care costs. IMO, any provincial government should be focusing 75 - 90% of it's time on these:
  1. Health care - yikes. It's a tough portfolio, but it's been 6 years. Has anything they done made any measurable improvement so far?
  2. Public education - the spent their first 3 years getting distracted with virtue signaling and curriculum battles, instead of building and funding schools. They slept on the school capacity time-bomb, then blamed the teachers union for classroom size issues and shoveled money too late into the game. Just a poorly run approach that's waaay to obvious in it's ideologically-driven objectives here.
  3. Car and home insurance costs - I mean, what's there to say here? lol is anyone happy with their premiums? Has any province ever handled this worse?
  4. Day care costs - this one is under the radar right now but only AB and Sask have no extension in place beyond March 2026 to keep day care affordable. Lots of people are going to get surprised with $1,000+ month increases in fees in 4 months. The province has slow-played and delayed all along just to get the first deal signed - all for reasons that were never clear, and aren't an issue for all the other provinces that signed on happily and quickly because it's an overwhelmingly popular policy.
There's other stuff out there, but I find it remarkable how poorly and controversially they have handled some of these big portfolios. Do they really think they have and should pick unpopular battle on every issue?

Other governments with niche interests keep a steady hand on the big stuff so they get latitude to do their weird niche stuff they know are not popular or not interesting to people (e.g. fun tax-payer funded trips to podcasters/hockey games etc., offer sole-source Tylenol contracts to buddies, push through unpopular coal mine policies then screw up and payout hundreds of millions to coal companies, have dozens of political buddies tour around the province on panels to stoke up separatism with loaded-question surveys, conspiracies and lies etc.)

It's the doing stuff they know is not popular, but for little obvious objective other than to rile up the base or cater to a hyper-specific partisan niche perspective that has worn me down over time. Being generous here, but it comes across as arrogant and not really interested in doing any of the governing, just the politicking part of their jobs.

Combines some of the arrogance critiques of the late PC-era, with the ideological-driven incompetence of the modern day populist agendas into one exhausting package.
 
This is going to be a gong show. I hear full on separatists (not just whatever the current crop are) are organizing to take over the party board.
That’s excellent news. Will be a 2015 level collapse in support, letting the NDP come up the middle again. Thank god.
 
I'd be far more sympathetic to the random, niche policy interests of the provincial government if they made any improvement on the major portfolios in their now 6 years in office. The biggest ones for me are health care, public education, car and home insurance and day care costs. IMO, any provincial government should be focusing 75 - 90% of it's time on these:
  1. Health care - yikes. It's a tough portfolio, but it's been 6 years. Has anything they done made any measurable improvement so far?
  2. Public education - the spent their first 3 years getting distracted with virtue signaling and curriculum battles, instead of building and funding schools. They slept on the school capacity time-bomb, then blamed the teachers union for classroom size issues and shoveled money too late into the game. Just a poorly run approach that's waaay to obvious in it's ideologically-driven objectives here.
  3. Car and home insurance costs - I mean, what's there to say here? lol is anyone happy with their premiums? Has any province ever handled this worse?
  4. Day care costs - this one is under the radar right now but only AB and Sask have no extension in place beyond March 2026 to keep day care affordable. Lots of people are going to get surprised with $1,000+ month increases in fees in 4 months. The province has slow-played and delayed all along just to get the first deal signed - all for reasons that were never clear, and aren't an issue for all the other provinces that signed on happily and quickly because it's an overwhelmingly popular policy.
There's other stuff out there, but I find it remarkable how poorly and controversially they have handled some of these big portfolios. Do they really think they have and should pick unpopular battle on every issue?

Other governments with niche interests keep a steady hand on the big stuff so they get latitude to do their weird niche stuff they know are not popular or not interesting to people (e.g. fun tax-payer funded trips to podcasters/hockey games etc., offer sole-source Tylenol contracts to buddies, push through unpopular coal mine policies then screw up and payout hundreds of millions to coal companies, have dozens of political buddies tour around the province on panels to stoke up separatism with loaded-question surveys, conspiracies and lies etc.)

It's the doing stuff they know is not popular, but for little obvious objective other than to rile up the base or cater to a hyper-specific partisan niche perspective that has worn me down over time. Being generous here, but it comes across as arrogant and not really interested in doing any of the governing, just the politicking part of their jobs.

Combines some of the arrogance critiques of the late PC-era, with the ideological-driven incompetence of the modern day populist agendas into one exhausting package.
As someone that is more conservative leaning but more in the PC lane, I think some of these areas have had a lot of work being put into them than what you see on the news.

1. Healthcare. They're spending a lot of money on changing the system, whether that works or not, we don't know yet. But a good counterfactual of an NDP province would be BC, and Albertans have higher, but relatively similar access to primary physicians, wait time across common procedures are largely the same (small variation depending on the procedure).

BC does have more doctors per capital than AB with AB at 117 Family Physicians, and 123 Specialist per 100,000 and BC at 138 Family physician and 134 specialist per 100,000. But for all the talk about how terrible it is to work in healthcare in this province, the net migration in 2024 between Canadian jurisdictions, AB gained 76 doctors while BC lost 34 doctors (https://www.cihi.ca/en/physicians)

And in most of these healthcare performance dashboards published by CIHI, AB performance is largely above average/improving and it isn't some calamity where everything is going downhill. https://www.cihi.ca/en/dashboards/overall-health-system-performance

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2. Public Education
I agree the government moved too slow, did not plan ahead for the large influx of population. But while interprovincial was part of their doing (AB is calling), the vast majority is international, which they have limited control over. It wasn't long ago that we were closing schools in the late 2010s, so I can see why the government would be hesitant to invest in schools before the demand materialized. I do not agree with the use of the NWC on the negotiations. They could've mandated back to work legislation while continuing to negotiate, which should've been the correct path.

3. Insurance
For insurance in general, there is no place where you find large profits. Insurers are leaving the province because it is not profitable. So insurance rates can't come down without a meaningful change in claims, coverage or payouts.
For home insurance, AB has some of the largest insurance cost events in the country. The hailstorm was one of the largest insurance event in the last decade, and before that was the floods. I don't think there is a way to reduce cost without loss of coverage, because insurance companies are operating at near 100% or higher payout ratios.

For car insurance, a lot of people point to BC, but cost is lower because the claims are set and there's no legal recourse for damages. There probably is middle ground here, but part of having insurance is that when things happen, you want to have the ability to sue for damages rather than deal with an administrative process that many feel is unfair. The cost is higher because it's a different model, and there's advantages to this model as well. The government is in consultations to change up the insurance model so it balances cost and compensation.


4. Childcare
I can't really speak to this one as I'm not a user of the system and don't follow it particularly closely. I do think this government likes to not take handouts from the Feds and is always trying to opt out of things or get the funding instead of the program, which is a bit tiring. So I agree on that front.
 
This is going to be a gong show. I hear full on separatists (not just whatever the current crop are) are organizing to take over the party board.
This could be good, with a chance of being very bad. If the party goes too far to the right, they'll either spit and separate into two parties, or they'll stay as one extreme right wing party, which would help the NDP gain some votes. The very bad part would be if they became more extreme but stayed together as one party and still managed to win the next election.
 

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