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Urban Development and Proposals Discussion

The old CBE building site isn't the best for a future downtown K to 9 school when you realize it's surrounded on all sides by 5 lane one-way roads.
I think a great location for an urban school would be the lot north of the new Central Library where the there's that old 70s era parkade that sits largely unused. It's close to families living in the east village, and families living on the west side of downtown can easily get there via C-Train, and like I said earlier it's directly across the street from the library. Could also help attract new developments in the east village targeting young families.
 
An increase of students and concerned parents would probably be a positive thing for the east side of downtown. If there is a call about a suspicious person near a school, I would think the cops would respond a little quicker than usual in the area.
East Village would probably be impossible, especially if there's outdoor space. You'd probably need police standing at the perimeter all day. I think EV is fine for living and isn't dangerous to adults but for kids, it's probably too much. Does the city still own the Haultain school land? Seems like a good location with the new developments nearby.
 
I wonder what the population stats would reveal on school aged children in the downtown area. If the numbers support a downtown area school, it wouldn’t have be a stand alone school. Vancouver is quite good at integrating schools into multi use projects (residential/child care/community centre) in their downtown area such as at Coal Harbour and Olympic Village, for example.
 
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2 new 4 storey buildings proposed in Kingsland.
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Just finished an extensive bike ride along the Riverwalk, including East Village. I’m just going to go ahead and say it because I don’t care anymore, but they need to remove the DIC ASAP and relocate it somewhere else more on the fringes. Can’t believe the city renewed its existence for another decade. I try to be sympathetic to the plight of others, but it isn’t fair to everyone else trying to live their lives, buy a home and enjoy their surroundings. The DIC is the sole reason why the East Village has not exploded and been completed. I don’t blame people for not wanting to live around there. Such a beautiful area is being wasted away. It’s depressing to see.

We wanted to eat lunch in East Village and there really aren’t many options or choices. There should be a Cactus Club in the building next to the Simmons or something along those lines. But with tweekers congregating all over the place who wants to set up a restaurant there? Ended up going to Chix Diner. $3.50 for a can of beer was a good deal!
 
I wonder what the population stats would reveal on school aged children in the downtown area. If the numbers support a downtown area school, it wouldn’t have be a stand alone school. Vancouver is quite good at integrating schools into multi use projects (residential/child care/community centre) in their downtown area such as at Coal Harbour and Olympic Village, for example.
Calgary has a community profile page where it breaks down the demographics for all its neighborhoods. It is a few years old now though as it's based on the 2021 Census.


At that time, the Downtown Core, Beltline, East Village and West End, and even the immediately surrounding communities (like Sunalta, Bankview, Mission) had a low percentage of student-age residents.
 
Just finished an extensive bike ride along the Riverwalk, including East Village. I’m just going to go ahead and say it because I don’t care anymore, but they need to remove the DIC ASAP and relocate it somewhere else more on the fringes. Can’t believe the city renewed its existence for another decade. I try to be sympathetic to the plight of others, but it isn’t fair to everyone else trying to live their lives, buy a home and enjoy their surroundings. The DIC is the sole reason why the East Village has not exploded and been completed. I don’t blame people for not wanting to live around there. Such a beautiful area is being wasted away. It’s depressing to see.

We wanted to eat lunch in East Village and there really aren’t many options or choices. There should be a Cactus Club in the building next to the Simmons or something along those lines. But with tweekers congregating all over the place who wants to set up a restaurant there? Ended up going to Chix Diner. $3.50 for a can of beer was a good deal!
If we move it, where will it go?

I've been pondering this for a bit, as its obvious the facility is both holding the area back, and not really succeeding in its mission.

Firstly, the mega facility may make some sort of financial sense from consolidating services, but the negatives from concentrating a large amount of vulnerables like that more than offset any cost savings.

Breaking up the DIC into smaller facilities in dispersed locations would address that, perhaps have one in each quadrant, like the hospitals are spread. In fact, locating these smaller facilities near the hospitals might be a good idea..

Banff trail area could work for the NW, somewhere east of Chinook for SW, plenty of options in the NE, and iirc there is already a new facility in the works in Highfield which could cover the SE, although not exactly close to the hospital. All these areas are also good locations for supportive housing developments, being near employment and transit nodes

Of course that's only half the equation. Until more is done to address the immediate sources and root causes of the problem, no amount of new facilities will fix this.

I know most Canadians are more comfortable with softer solutions, but you can't hug your way out of an opium war.. And yes, we're in one.

Personally I think we need to start treating the producer and trafficking problem the way the Chinese do. They do have a lot of experience with such things and know what works.

On the flip side, I think the feds should also look at increasing the full legalization and regulation of more less harmful drugs. Canada has had legal weed for almost a decade, maybe its time to add a few more things to the menu to further take away from the black market

As for what to do with the growing army of lost souls, I'm supportive of the forced treatment idea, at least in theory. IMO if treatment is going to be successful, it needs to be done outside of the city, so maybe its also time to bring back the funny farms. Let the permenantly brain fried wander in peace and let those with a chance to recover do so in quieter environs.
 
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I fully agree with Infrastructure Enthusiast’s ideas. I’m at the point where they need to be gathered up and forcibly sent to some type of set up outside of the city where they can detox, get mental support, learn new skills, and get set up for introduction back to society. The ones that can pass will be welcomed back with some affordable housing. The ones that refuse or are too far gone can wander around the corn fields in peace and leave everyone else alone. There are over 7 billion on this planet. Everyone can’t be saved.
 
The problem from what I understand with forced rehabilitation is that it does nothing to address the root causes of how and why individuals became addicted in the first place. It's not as simple as just "locking them up and teaching them life skills" so they come out rehabilitated and ready to contribute to society. That's the same argument used for prison, and again, that's essentially what we're advocating for when we talk about forced treatment.

If someone becomes addicted to drugs as a byproduct of them being homeless and having zero support or structure in their life, you can't just lock them up for a few weeks to detox and then send them on their way and expect them to not become addicted again if you haven't done anything to address the root causes of their problems.

If forced treatment was proven to work moreso than any other form then I'd be on board with it, but from what I've read, there is little evidence that it's an effective strategy in the long term.
 
The solutions are out there... in fact they have been successfully implemented in another oil and gas city from a conservative corner of the world. We could easily do this in Calgary if A: we had a provincial government that actually gave a shit about solving the problem, instead of paying lip service to it and instead making moves so that the issue is downloaded onto municipalities they want to make life difficult for and B: if we moved past the mentality common in most English-speaking countries that someone who is homeless and suffering from addiction or mental health has to somehow prove their worthiness by either getting sober or getting on meds before we give them help with finding a home. We have a problem in North America where the homeless, renters and the working poor are viewed as somehow morally inferior to those who own homes and so therefore must continually prove their worth to society (see most NIMBYism).

What happened? In 2012, the city went all-in on a concept called "Housing First." Since then, homelessness is down 63% in the greater Houston area, and more than 30,000 people have been housed.

Housing First means spend money on getting the unhoused into their own apartments, subsidize their rent, then provide the services needed to stabilize their lives – not fix the person first; not just add more shelter beds.

"Our natural instinct when we see homelessness increasing is to hire more outreach workers and to build more shelter beds," said Mandy Chapman Semple, the architect of Houston's success story. She now advises other cities on how to replicate it, among them Dallas, New Orleans, and Oklahoma City. "The idea that if you have no permanent place to live, that you're also going to be able to transform and tackle complex mental health issues, addiction issues, complex financial issues? It's just unrealistic."


 

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