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Go Elevated or try for Underground?

  • Work with the province and go with the Elevated option

    Votes: 52 75.4%
  • Try another approach and go for Underground option

    Votes: 14 20.3%
  • Cancel it altogether

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • Go with a BRT solution

    Votes: 2 2.9%

  • Total voters
    69
I looked up the Toronto platform lengths, which are 152 m (500 ft) for line 1 and 155 m for line 4. You are right that the line 1 trains are 137 m; line 4 are 92 m.

I'm also not sure they're running 3-car trains (of the 42-metre Urbos vehicles) for the green line. I don't think I've seen that confirmed? I would have guessed 2-car and 90 m platforms, so the platform can fit on a typical north-south block.
AFAIK it's going to be 2 car platforms provisioned for 3
 
For Stage 1 and its limited ridership, it'll be two-cars trains. But even with 5 minute headways, that peak capacity isn't that high.

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That's barely enough for NC trips 15 years ago and well below the capacity needed for the predicted number of NC transit trips at 1.5 million population that were made in the past.

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A lot of this might be moot - with the rising construction costs and the staged phasing, I could see a pause at 7th Ave or Eau Claire then another decade of reimagining the Centre Street corridor.

high-floor / low-floor, at-grade or not - lots of options are available to create all the capacity we need …. Assuming we actually 100% prioritize train movements over vehicles.
 
Just a reminder... from the Green Line website:

"In May 2023 Green Line entered the Development Phase with Bow Transit Connectors (BTC). During this 16-month phase, Green Line and BTC will advance the design, understand risks, determine project cost and schedule.

Main construction of Phase 1, Shepard to Eau Claire, is on track to begin in 2024."


My math tells me we're about a year from main construction beginning and seven years from operational trains. This thread has only just begun.
 
A lot of this might be moot - with the rising construction costs and the staged phasing, I could see a pause at 7th Ave or Eau Claire then another decade of reimagining the Centre Street corridor.

high-floor / low-floor, at-grade or not - lots of options are available to create all the capacity we need …. Assuming we actually 100% prioritize train movements over vehicles.

The Green Line team has already basically announced that they are pausing at Eau Claire, short of a construction cost miracle. From the Green Line website:

"Green Line is focused on Phase 1 of the project, from Shepard to Eau Claire. The Green Line Board is committed to managing costs and risks. Should costs of escalation and other risks not materialize during Phase 1, the Board will make a decision on timing and direction for Phase 2. The timeline for that decision has not been set."
 
The Green Line team has already basically announced that they are pausing at Eau Claire, short of a construction cost miracle. From the Green Line website:
I look forward to next year when it becomes official and council and LRT On the Green gets mad about it for a few days and then a week later change their minds and say the new (new, new) Stage 1 is still a good start, builds the most important and hardest part of the line, none of the previous LRT lines were built all at once and how good BRT is going to be for NC Calgary.
 
I mean if they aren't crossing the river they might as well stop at 7th and let those folks keep their homes as long as possible. There is a housing crisis afterall...
 
I am on one of the design teams for the development phase. The goal is 30% detailed design by end of 2023. 60% designs by spring 2024. We're busy.

On a high level, between Eau Claire and Shepard there are:
- 7-8 bridges
- a mix of cut & cover and bored tunnel through downtown
- a storage and maintenance facility
Awesome, thanks for the update. Any timelines when the next batch of information will be made public on designs/renderings etc?
 
I am on one of the design teams for the development phase. The goal is 30% detailed design by end of 2023. 60% designs by spring 2024. We're busy.

On a high level, between Eau Claire and Shepard there are:
- 7-8 bridges
- a mix of cut & cover and bored tunnel through downtown
- a storage and maintenance facility
Love me a good cut and cover. I assume the bored tunnel will be under the CP tracks. That would be the most economically efficient.
 
I saw this image in the Event Centre thread, but it's more of a Green Line question. I'm curious why the city didn't put the station one block west? Unless they plan to have an entrance on Stampede Trail? I would expect a lot more pedestrian traffic along Stampede Trail to/from EV also the retail is closer to Stampede Trail.

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I saw this image in the Event Centre thread, but it's more of a Green Line question. I'm curious why the city didn't put the station one block west? Unless they plan to have an entrance on Stampede Trail? I would expect a lot more pedestrian traffic along Stampede Trail to/from EV also the retail is closer to Stampede Trail.

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Just from a glance it looks like they're trying to put the station in the middle of the undeveloped lands north of the arena. Likely trying to maximise the TOD potential
 
I saw this image in the Event Centre thread, but it's more of a Green Line question. I'm curious why the city didn't put the station one block west? Unless they plan to have an entrance on Stampede Trail? I would expect a lot more pedestrian traffic along Stampede Trail to/from EV also the retail is closer to Stampede Trail.
The first draft of the revised alignment after the 2019 issues wanted to place the station between 4th and 5th Street because of the reasons you noted. However, after the functional design phase they had to move it over for operational and cost reasons.

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In the recent Green Line update email:
In September 2023, the Final Design Review was submitted, bringing us one step closer to starting manufacturing.

This milestone was reached ahead of schedule thanks to close collaboration between Green Line and the CAF design teams. CAF’s senior management praised this partnership, stating that “Green Line is the most collaborative team that we have worked with, and we wish all client organizations worked as collaboratively.”
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Car body shell prior to testing
 

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